[Xqjfxmfk]

probably because of what happened to all those noble idealists.

[caseferter]

Originally posted by Wiglaf
It would reveal the hypocricy of the left, that is for sure. OH NO BEING IN IRAQ IS WRONG SURE SADDAM WAS EVIL BUT HE IS SOVEREIGN! OH BUT DARFUR IS DIFFERENT! THEY'RE BLACK! AND DON CHEADLE MADE A MOVIE ABOUT IT AND IT WAS ALMOST AS GOOD AS OCEANS 11! QFT. Damned if you do and damned if you don't

[VZF74G0M]

A win-win situation... for teh lefties

[intisgunkas]

It's like playing Russian roulette with an automatic

[spoddersedpn]

Any way you slice it, it still won't come up good

[Lapsiks]

I think conflicts like Darfur are much more difficult to judge then say, the Spanish Civil War, often you don't have clear good/bad, but multiple sides involved in ****. Sure, there's the idea of protecting the civilians, but if you feel you don't have a trustworthy side that can run the country better than the current guys you'd either need intl efforts to rebuilt such a country (which could still go wrong if foreign presence is not accepted) or watch how the country/idea you fought for gets lost again.

Of course then there's the whole laziness, ignorance, fear etc line of reasons....

[LymnInvinny]

which is in need of actual help, not of feelgood white man's burden.

What "white man's burden" has to do with it? Were the volunteers in Spain's Civil war excercising a bit of "white man's burden" as well?

Btw, the mighty UN backed AU peace force is getting picked off, one by one. Just a matter of time till they bail, and then, it'll start over again.

[DeronBoltonRen]

Originally posted by Az
which is in need of actual help, not of feelgood white man's burden.

What "white man's burden" has to do with it? Were the volunteers in Spain's Civil war excercising a bit of "white man's burden" as well? The Zoé's ark debacle was a serious case of white man's burden.

In Spain, international fighters fought out of an ideology (be they fascist, Democrats or Communists) that they shared with local Spaniards claiming government. The same can be said of Islamists who go fight in Iraq, Afghanistan or Somalia.

But Darfur isn't seen as an ideologic fight. You have several ethnical group fighting, with the central government backing some against some others. There's no clear communist side, no democratic side, and even the islamist aspect of it is fairly low (at least in comparison with the above mentioned examples). The way Darfur is seen on TV, the divide is between victims and guilties.

[Foucceedo]

What do you see as the end state for Darfur anyway? It was people with incredible shitty lives being bribed and instigated against people with slightly less shitty lives.

[casinochniks]

We'd give you a glorious death.

[famosetroie]

Che if the Washington government tries to destroy the soon to be established Socialist Republic of Florida I'll come to fight with you

[abishiots]

Canada tries to keep those seals in check for ages now, but they keep coming back every year.

[PaulRyansew]

Another thing: those yelling loudest about "human rights" are usually spoiled leftist college punks who only dare to trash benign democratic governments. When faced with tough authoritarian regimes such as China and Russia, they become errily silent. When confronted with real thugs like Iran, Al-Qaeda, Saddam's Iraq, and Taliban's Afghanistan, they cringe with fear.

[xanonlinexan]

Originally posted by One_more_turn
Another thing: those yelling loudest about "human rights" are usually spoiled leftist college punks who only dare to trash benign democratic governments. When faced with tough authoritarian regimes such as China and Russia, they become errily silent. When confronted with real thugs like Iran, Al-Qaeda, Saddam's Iraq, and Taliban's Afghanistan, they cringe with fear.

[Suvuseh]

Originally posted by BeBro


BS. Sorry, but that's the bitter truth.

In fact, Eurpeans are especially guilty in this regard. When Russians beat up the Cherchens a few years back, some of your policians complained. Russians then turned off the gas pipeline for a couple of days, you guys have shut up ever since.

I predict Sarkozy will make kowtow before the Chinese too, and Merkel will rethink her stance once Boeing gets all the contracts in the future.

[Fetowip]

Originally posted by One_more_turn


Sorry, but that's the bitter truth.

In fact, Eurpeans are especially guilty in this regard. When Russians beat up the Cherchens a few years back, some of your policians complained. Russians then turned off the gas pipeline for a couple of days, you guys have shut up ever since.

I predict Sarkozy will make kowtow before the Chinese too, and Merkel will rethink her stance once Boeing gets all the contracts in the future. Find me a credible link saying Russia tried (or threatened) to shut down gas supply to Western Europe during the war(s) in Chechnya.

As for predictions - I don't care about wild speculations. Once Boeing manages to get his Dreamliner out we'll see what happens. I just don't see how the situation would be any different then, since both Boeing and Airbus compete in intl markets incl China for years now.

Also fun that your previous post was about " leftist college punks" and now you're about Merkel and Sarkozy which are not from the left side of the European political spectrum.

[Angry White American]

Are you able to back up your assertion from your earlier post or do I have to conclude that you either don't know what you are talking about or just lied about the Chechnya thing?

[adsexpist]

Originally posted by One_more_turn
I predict Sarkozy will make kowtow before the Chinese too It was done during the pro-Tibet demonstrations in Paris. The French police gave considerable leeway to the Chinese elite policemen protecting the Olympic Torch. And since the protests, Sarkozy has sent numerous messages to China to have them understand he fully kowtowed.

[amberamuletuk]

Okay, the centrist wing of the Democratic Party.