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Old 04-06-2008, 01:58 AM   #1
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Default 137 children rescued from Polygamist ranch. Guess the State? No, not Utah
Polygamy
Freedom of religion
Brutal oppression of religious minorities and separation of families
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Old 04-06-2008, 02:42 AM   #2
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Originally posted by onodera
Polygamy
Freedom of religion
Brutal oppression of religious minorities and separation of families Russians
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Old 04-06-2008, 03:15 AM   #3
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This was brought up here not so long ago. I pointed out at the time that Texas wouldn't put up with it, which was the case.
So be an asshead over it, but Texas did what was right.
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Old 04-06-2008, 03:39 AM   #4
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Get the victims out and use the complex for target practice
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Old 04-06-2008, 06:21 AM   #5
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I'm ashamed of you Asher. I'd have thought that you'd have made a thread about the 12 year old stripper in Dallas.
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Old 04-06-2008, 06:59 AM   #6
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Been done. Both of you are a day late and a dollar short, again.
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Old 04-06-2008, 12:22 PM   #7
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Originally posted by Oerdin
Doesn't British Columbia have a problem with the same Mormon cult? I don't know if it is the same cult but yes, Bountiful, BC has mormons. They aren't going anywhere as the government is afraid charges wouldn't survive a Charter challenge, so they carry on unmolested (no pun intended).
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Old 04-06-2008, 02:17 PM   #8
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Originally posted by Lonestar
Don't blame Texas for a Utah Cult, especially when Texas has moved so swiftly to root 'em out. 4 years.

ACK!
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Old 04-06-2008, 06:36 PM   #9
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Originally posted by Oerdin
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bountif...itish_Columbia From that article ( *cough*)

On June 6, 2007, the province of British Columbia announced the appointment of high-profile Vancouver criminal lawyer Richard Peck as a special prosecutor to review the results of a police investigation into possible polygamous activity or other offences by members of the community.[6]

On August 1, 2007, Richard Peck concluded that there isn't enough evidence to charge the group with sexual abuse or exploitation charges as it has been extraordinarily difficult to find victims willing to testify and the defendants are likely to claim "religious freedom" as a defense.

Peck suggested that British Columbia ask the courts whether the current laws concerning polygamy are constitutional. Peck said that it's time to find out once and for all if Canada's laws against polygamy will stand. He stated that, "If the law is upheld, members of the Bountiful community will have fair notice that their practice of polygamy must cease.".[7]

BC has made no request of the courts since August 2007. They are afraid of the answer.
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Old 04-07-2008, 10:27 AM   #10
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Is anyone else suspicious that Ben spends his time between BC and Texas?
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Old 04-07-2008, 05:57 PM   #11
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Thats illegal? I dont think so... I think she is 16 years old now, but was much younger when she had the child.
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Old 04-07-2008, 08:46 PM   #12
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Given they have evidence of one forced marriage below the legal age, it's quite reasonable to believe more may have occurred. I have no problem with a fishing expedition on something like this - with a closed compound it's very hard to enforce laws and very easy for significant abuses to occur, and it sounds like they are occurring.
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Old 04-07-2008, 09:08 PM   #13
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What happened to the good ol' days when we'd just burn the place down?
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Old 04-07-2008, 09:27 PM   #14
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I'd like to see the credible report, but if this is about some guy getting his 16 year old wife pregnant then placing 200 hundred people under arrest or custody is not appropriate. You dont do that to "investigate" one guy and his wife.
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Old 04-08-2008, 04:34 AM   #15
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Is the State required to provide you personally with evidence in an ongoing criminal investigation that doesn't involve you?
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Old 04-08-2008, 04:37 AM   #16
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...or as the article says: What "critics" say aint enough for a court ordered warrant, this is a specific allegation against one man.

Is the State required to provide you personally with evidence in an ongoing criminal investigation that doesn't involve you? So you dont have a credible report either? Why did you say it existed? No, the cops dont need to show me a credible report but it had better exist and somebody in the chain of due process needs to make sure this aint a fishing expedition.
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Old 04-08-2008, 04:44 AM   #17
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Originally posted by Berzerker
So you dont have a credible report either? Why did you say it existed? RTFA. The information is in there. Once the state has been called in, they are bound by law to investigate. They aren't going to leave kids in an envoronment where they suspect abuse without investigating.
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Old 04-08-2008, 04:51 AM   #18
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All I see is an accusation that a 50 year old man married a 16 year old girl and they may have conceived a child (which aint even illegal). Based on that the cops went in placed a couple hundred people in custody? This is a fishing expedition, they want their social workers asking the kids questions to build cases against adults and shut down the community.
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Old 04-08-2008, 04:56 AM   #19
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RTFA. The information is in there. Once the state has been called in, they are bound by law to investigate. They aren't going to leave kids in an envoronment where they suspect abuse without investigating. The accused is one man who wasn't there, and the warrant is based on his alleged marriage to a 16 year old (which is legal) and their conception of a child (which is legal). Did they find her and did she eagerly accept their protection? The information is not there so you dont know if the report is credible. They rounded up 200 people for this? No, its a fishing expedition.
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Old 04-08-2008, 05:05 AM   #20
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Originally posted by Berzerker
The accused is one man who wasn't there, and the warrant is based on his alleged marriage to a 16 year old (which is legal) Do you happen to have a copy of the court order allowing the marriage handy?
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