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The problem is that they didn't pay the right guys off. Let a Chicagoan run an airline, we'd be fine

[bestonline]

Originally posted by snoopy369
The problem is that they didn't pay the right guys off. Let a Chicagoan run an airline, we'd be fine Isn't United from Chicago?

[DEMassteers]

Originally posted by Asher

Isn't United from Chicago? Yes, but they apparently aren't run by Chicagoans any more. If they were, they'd have paid off the right guys and been fine.

[Bill-Watson]

Simply living in Chicago doesn't make you a Chicagoan I bet their executives eat their hot dogs with ketchup...

[PlanTaleks]

The hard part is not snickering while you do it.

[wCYvMKAc]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse
The hard part is not snickering while you do it.
Great Comment =)

[rujeltaoser]

Originally posted by snoopy369
The problem is that they didn't pay the right guys off. Let a Chicagoan run an airline, we'd be fine It's not about pay offs. It's about hiring former FAA inspectors, and then having your "new employees" talk their buds back at the FAA to quash any inspections or citations.

[Erexecike]

Originally posted by Zkribbler


It's not about pay offs. It's about hiring former FAA inspectors, and then having your "new employees" talk their buds back at the FAA to quash any inspections or citations. Payoffs are also necessary. It's how you 'talk' to their buds, after all

[cheaploans]

I'd like to see you try Asher. If there were some place you could put your money where your mouth is like a lemonade stand someone might believe you. But facts are facts: there is more to economics and airlines than you will ever know.

On the contrary, compscis should be especially qualified to run an airline...

[Tusethede]

Originally posted by Wiglaf
I'd like to see you try Asher. You and me both. Thanks Wiglaf, I appreciate your support.

If there were some place you could put your money where your mouth is like a lemonade stand someone might believe you. But facts are facts: there is more to economics and airlines than you will ever know. For instance, did you know that you must hire baggage handlers in addition to pilots? One of those retards who forgets to close the cargo door before take off can bring your months of planning crashing to the ground, there would be nothing left These deckhand types don't come from Yale....they come from the third world and rural areas. Why do you even need pilots? Just remote control the plane. They take off and land pretty much automatically already anyway.

[gMUVgw71]

Originally posted by snoopy369
Actually running an airline has nothing to do with compsci... it's called 'business'. MBA. That sort of thing.

Apart from the fact that efficient operations are completely dependent on the algorithms you use to pick routes, determine fares, etc.

[dHXaE2h9]

Optimization

[nAKMzyBN]

Originally posted by snoopy369
you need to know how to actually manage people The idea that some people are good at "managing people" in general is probably the biggest crock of **** believed by the most people today.

True managerial skills tend to be focused on a specific set of operations.

[Kemapreedasse]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse


The idea that some people are good at "managing people" in general is probably the biggest crock of **** believed by the most people today.

True managerial skills tend to be focused on a specific set of operations. Managerial skills involve being able to get other people to do what they are supposed to be doing, and want to do it. They are actual skills... and quite often technical people are terrible managers and vice versa. It's why many technical people change jobs after they hit the management level...

If you've never been a real manager (not just managing a couple of lab techs or a small project team, but actually managing a large amonut of people in all aspects of their jobs, over a long period of time) this is self evident.

Other than me, how many other people on these boards have been an actual manager, anyway? I doubt it's very many...

[Audi_z]

Originally posted by Asher
It seems they let idiots in charge of airlines these days. And you are idiot?

[cyslespitocop]

Originally posted by snoopy369
None of that analysis should be done by the CEO of a major airline. It should be done by people hired well down the line from the CEO. "Running the airline" doesn't necessarily mean CEO. It could just as easily mean COO.

[Toivaluadiora]

"Airline service gets worse and worse, delays get worse and worse, and yet people are still flying in record numbers," said Alan Bender, professor of airline economics at Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University in Daytona Beach, Florida. The airline industry is not in trouble. This current situation is more like a flee annoying an elephant ... you would not say the elephant must be killed and replaced with another one, like Asher is doing here.

[qp0yfHOf]

Originally posted by snoopy369
Other than me, how many other people on these boards have been an actual manager, anyway?

Not that I count here in the off-topic area or anything.

[GSgCGxsF]

Originally posted by UnOrthOdOx




Not that I count here in the off-topic area or anything. Depends to what degree we're talking about anyway. I've got half a dozen people reporting to me right now. And not McDonalds-style reporting, university-degree in a real field people.

[zzbust]

Originally posted by snoopy369


Managerial skills involve being able to get other people to do what they are supposed to be doing, and want to do it. This assumes that you actually know what other people are supposed to be doing. I find it extremely amusing that people accept that hierarchical structures are bad when run by the government but are good when run by private companies.

If you've never been a real manager (not just managing a couple of lab techs or a small project team, but actually managing a large amonut of people in all aspects of their jobs, over a long period of time) this is self evident. Anybody who attempts to manage a large amount of people in all aspects of their jobs will fail miserably. Knowledge and experience are distributed, not concentrated in the hands of managers.

Other than me, how many other people on these boards have been an actual manager, anyway? I doubt it's very many... Why would I attempt to accomplish something which I don't believe is truly possible? I have never been "managed" by anybody in such a way as to increase my productivity except insofar as my manager had more experience doing my job than I did OR insofar as he was there to keep alive the threat of my being fired based on easily measured traits of productivity.

Managerialism is perhaps the saddest religion of them all.