[blogforlovxr]

Why no love for the History forum?

[thegamexpertsdotcom]

I don't recognise the splitting of the OT.

[pE71J5Sw]

Sino-Soviet proxy war.

And no, they didn't meet their goals; they got their asses handed to them by the Vietnamese. You've gotta love Vietnam: tiny country without much historical significance, yet they've managed to take down at least 3 world powers (China, France, US). They're nothing if not scrappy.

[Gorlummm]

France left, China didn't "invade", and the USA screwed the pooch by not letting the military run the war.

[casinobonbone]

Originally posted by SlowwHand
France left, China didn't "invade", and the USA screwed the pooch by not letting the military run the war. Yes I know, this was later. Maybe '78 or 79ish, not sure.

[Xfxhbcxp]

ok. I was there in '75. Udorn after that, in Thailand, closing.

[wgX44EEn]

Originally posted by SlowwHand
France left, China didn't "invade", and the USA screwed the pooch by not letting the military run the war. France sure as **** didn't leave voluntarily; they got kicked out. Ditto the US. And China couldn't even manage to get in.

The Vietnamese

[arindiruppya]

Originally posted by Lancer
Rufus, iirc they showed the door to the Mongols too, the only nation to successfully defy them. Hmm. Yeah I think that's true. Yep, I forgot about that! Actually, they kicked Mongol ass twice, iirc. The decisive sea battle the second time -- Battle of Bach Dang, or something like that -- was a masterpiece of sheer cunning. They're one hell of a people.

[karaburatoreror]

Originally posted by SlowwHand
the USA screwed the pooch by not letting the military run the war. Just as we aren't letting the military run the war in Iraq... right?

[avdddcxnelkaxz]

How so? It's a bit simplified (the situation was actually pretty complicated) but I'd say it's an even-handed summation.

[Dwerfsd]

Etchy doesn't know much about Eastern civilisation

[jessyhalm]

Originally posted by Arrian
So, basically, don't **** with the Vietnamese. Works for me.

-Arrian Yup. Show up, enjoy some of the greatest food in the world, and politely leave. That's the ticket.

Sadly, I don't have time for a final trip to Vietnam before I leave the region -- but if my luck holds, I'll be back someday, posted to Hanoi.

[DavidQD]

Etchy is out of his element

[alfredtaniypnx]

No, I'm not. There was a serious shift from the way the world looked in the mid-60s to how it looked in the mid-70s.

Whether this was the result or the cause of the China-US entente is a pretty meaningless question. The theory of Eastasia+Oceania versus Eurasia was accompanied by concrete shifts in regional relationships. That's what's important.

[GustavM]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse
No, I'm not. There was a serious shift from the way the world looked in the mid-60s to how it looked in the mid-70s.

Whether this was the result or the cause of the China-US entente is a pretty meaningless question. The theory of Eastasia+Oceania versus Eurasia was accompanied by concrete shifts in regional relationships. That's what's important. Shift? We have always been at war with Eurasia.