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Old 04-07-2008, 04:42 AM   #1
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Default Tazing Incident Thread #344
Originally posted by Darius871
This time it was some entitled ***hole who got pulled over in his Bentley and refused to hang up his cell phone... I gotta say it's tough to get worked up about this one: What crime did the guy commit?
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Old 04-07-2008, 04:54 AM   #2
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Originally posted by germanos
What crime did the guy commit? You mean besides resisting the lawful orders of an police officer?
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Old 04-07-2008, 04:55 AM   #3
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The person he was talking to probably laughed his ass off.
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Old 04-07-2008, 01:07 PM   #4
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Watch the video and listen to the audio, that's what they tried to do first after repeated and surprisingly polite verbal requests (which any court will recognize as lawful orders) to hang up the phone. The officer finally reaches in, but the video is too dark to make out how the driver physically responded though it was rapidly downhill from there. Any aggressive motion from a suspect is not well received by police, so this guy was doomed from the moment he first said, "No." to hanging up.

Edit: Grammar was off; presented different meaning from what I intended.
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Old 04-07-2008, 01:32 PM   #5
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Surfing multiple tabs and responding to posts at the same time is bad, m'kay? I think I caught your meaning now. You're right of course, but that doesn't make the video any less funny and satisfying.
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Old 04-07-2008, 03:55 PM   #6
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Originally posted by Ecthy
Do police officers not receive physical training? I somehow fail to understand how this would have been the only chance for him to cope with the situation, rather than take the cellphone away from him.
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Old 04-07-2008, 03:59 PM   #7
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Originally posted by SpencerH


Before I watched the video I was gonna take issue with this, but not after watching it. The only point now is what would happen if he was on the phone with his lawyer (theoretically)? He could claim that the police interfered with his right to council. I dont think it would hold up in the long run, but it might be interesting. My response to that scenario would be that he should have either told the officers that he had his lawyer on the phone (I doubt it would have mattered, he'd still have to comply with the officers' orders) or better yet simply have set the phone down without hanging up and allowed his lawyer to hear what was going on.

Instead he decided to act like a privileged douchebag and got his ass tased, bro.
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Old 04-07-2008, 06:26 PM   #8
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Originally posted by SpencerH
Before I watched the video I was gonna take issue with this, but not after watching it. The only point now is what would happen if he was on the phone with his lawyer (theoretically)? He could claim that the police interfered with his right to council. I dont think it would hold up in the long run, but it might be interesting. I don't believe you have a right to call your lawyer when you are pulled over for DUI. After you get to the police station you should be able to make a call.
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Old 04-07-2008, 06:52 PM   #9
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Originally posted by Wezil
Should I watch the video? Yes, and I don't forget to make popcorn!
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Old 04-07-2008, 07:07 PM   #10
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... depends of your mood.
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Old 04-07-2008, 07:24 PM   #11
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Smash his head into the concrete
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Old 04-07-2008, 07:40 PM   #12
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lol typical cops.... 4 cops got the man face down on the floor and then they started the multiple taserings. Even given the arrogance of the driver, countering with a brew of cowardice, sadism and laziness doesn't improve my opinion of cops much.
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Old 04-08-2008, 09:23 AM   #13
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Originally posted by Wiglaf


Yes, this actually worked wonderfully for me once when I robbed a bank. The ho hit the silent alarm and before I knew it SWAT was all up on my ass so I pulled out my Razr (how quick thinking can I get) and told everyone I was on the phone with my attorney. Made out with about a hundred thousand. You'd more likely be aquitted for the homosexual SWAT team that was feeling your up your stinky ass.
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Old 04-08-2008, 09:27 AM   #14
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Originally posted by Wiglaf
Acquitted*

Get a dictionary and OH MY GOD you live in Uganda? You are probably a six year old child soldier and blood diamond auctioneer, perhaps this explains your petty aggressiveness and immaturity Wow I made one spelling mistake in my whole time on this forum and I see a particularly vile, spelling nazi about to kill himself over it.
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Old 04-08-2008, 09:42 AM   #15
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Originally posted by DRoseDARs
Watch the video and listen to the audio, that's what they tried to do first after repeated and surprisingly polite verbal requests (which any court will recognize as lawful orders) to hang up the phone. The officer finally reaches in, but the video is too dark to make out how the driver physically responded though it was rapidly downhill from there. Any aggressive motion from a suspect is not well received by police, so this guy was doomed from the moment he first said, "No." to hanging up.

Edit: Grammar was off; presented different meaning from what I intended. I watched it again, the man is outside his car on the phone so I dont know where the "cop reaching in" occurs. The cop does not say he is under arrest therefore telling him to hang up the phone is not necessarily a lawful command. If the cop had informed him that he was under arrest, or if the man was not complying with commands that were pertinant to the pursuit of his duties as a police officer ie trying to give him a breathalyzer or such, then telling him to turn off the phone was lawful.
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Old 04-08-2008, 02:48 PM   #16
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Originally posted by Kidicious


I don't believe you have a right to call your lawyer when you are pulled over for DUI. After you get to the police station you should be able to make a call. That would be true once you've been informed that you're under arrest. Prior to that point the cops have the edge since if things deteriorate they can claim in court that your use of the phone interfered with the performance of their duties but they have to be more circumspect. You dont wave your rights just because a cop stops you. There is nothing illegal about your use of a phone (while stopped with the engine off in those states with laws against cell phones) during a police stop.

Given their restraint, I think its likely that the cops had already informed this asshat that he was under arrest but its not clear whether thats so.
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Old 04-08-2008, 03:11 PM   #17
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Originally posted by Ecthy
Spencer, in the universe of some of the posters here, ANY order given by a cop must be followed instantly OR ELSE. It's not like the public "authorities" were to justify themselves in front of the citizens Its funny, I've never understood that attitude from americans (ie unthinking compliance with authority). I've had some look at me like I've grown a second head when I mention a few incidents I've had with police who think they've been "annointed" when they put on a badge.

NB: Most cops I've run into have been professional while doing their job and they have my respect.
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Old 04-08-2008, 04:12 PM   #18
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Originally posted by SpencerH


Hmmmm. Since I dont know you I dont know if this is simply a troll or not.

The cops were very professional IMO (assuming he had been told he was under arrest). In his stupor, he was clearly resisting and the cops have every right (and a responsibility) to subdue him with minimal force. Thats what they did. Once he complied, they stopped tazering him finished handcuffing him. You shouldn't consider everyone who doesn't exactly comply with your opinions and beliefs to be 'trolls'. Accusing everyone of trolling is a symptom of too much time spent on the internet preaching your opinions.

About the cops, the purpose of tasers is to avoid resorting to the use of firearms to put down violent criminals who cannot be subdued by any other means. You should learn more about tasers including their effects and purpose of issue. The cops in this video became very violent at once flinging the man's cell phone away ending with multiple, and very unnecessary, taserings in a way that would make even rookies in training cringe at their unprofessionalism. The risk of killing this man, especially had he a heart condition, were very high.

I recommend all apolyton users who approve of the taserings in this video to volunteer for a tasering at a police academy just so know what you are vehemently wishing upon this citizen. And he was tasered 4 or 5 times.
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Old 04-08-2008, 05:31 PM   #19
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Yea, I didn't notice that the guy threw something at the officers at first. What a dumb arrogant *******. Still I don't see any reason for the tazering when they had him on the ground already. Maybe the guy was huge and muscular, that would be a reason in my opinion.
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Old 04-08-2008, 06:47 PM   #20
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Originally posted by Donegeal
Originally posted by unscratchedfoot
About the cops, the purpose of tasers is to avoid resorting to the use of firearms to put down violent criminals who cannot be subdued by any other means.

While that is a reason, it is not the only one.

You should learn more about tasers including their effects and purpose of issue. The cops in this video became very violent at once flinging the man's cell phone away ending with multiple, and very unnecessary, taserings in a way that would make even rookies in training cringe at their unprofessionalism.

Wrong. The only thing that might be an issue is that perhaps they could have given him more time to finish the call. However, if he had been informed prior to the video starting that he was under arrest (which is very likely as there are multiple squads there), the cops have no need to wait. You mean the 4 cops had no need to wait to force him face-first onto the asphalt so they could taser him over & over? If that actually was true, police protocol would need a major overhaul and tasers banned from use by cops.


The risk of killing this man, especially had he a heart condition, were very high.

Wrong. Perhaps you should learn more about tasers including their effects and purpose of issue. Tasers do not effect pacemakers or otherwise harmfully effect people with heart conditions other than the stress caused during deployment. Additionally, the taser was deployed in a drive stun manor (the shock only goes between the two prongs on the unit and is only effective as a pain compliance weapon rather than a destablizer), which is far different than what is typically seen. I've heard the exact opposite to this from more reliable sources than the off-topic forum of a PC game website.

I recommend all apolyton users who approve of the taserings in this video to volunteer for a tasering at a police academy just so know what you are vehemently wishing upon this citizen.

While I might be over stepping my actual influence here, I think that alot (or at least some) of the understanding of such videos on poly comes from me, and I have gone through the taser course.

And he was tasered 4 or 5 times.

Wrong. It was three times. Five seconds each. The audio of the video is poor enough to make the actual number of taserings uncertain. I get the feeling that you are getting such a kick out of using the word 'wrong' that you had to add this just for extra buzz.
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