[YmolafBp]

I think I need to educate you

[Borrinas]

This is Singapore

See, the red circle? That's the poorest part of Singapore. Very small area, in fact only about 6 miles in diameter.

[DavidShreder]

[MrGunjMan_]

This is Singapore Thats nice. You realize absolutely nothing about the concept of a suburb dictates it has to be withing the physical city limits of the city it is a suburb of, right? In fact, it is normally not within the city limits.

sub·urb
–noun
1. a district lying immediately outside a city or town, esp. a smaller residential community.
2. the suburbs, the area composed of such districts.
3. an outlying part.

See, the red circle? That's the poorest part of Singapore. Very small area, in fact only about 6 miles in diameter. Is it surrounded by walls topped with razor wire and machine gun armed guard towers? Do you give the Gamma's their daily penny wage before or after allowing them into your utopia of freshly painted never more than 2.56 day old fascades?

[PIORARMADDERI]

I did. I've been to the US, and that wasn't my impression at all. The infrastructure is much, much better then up here and well maintained.

[Janny2006]

Originally posted by Patroklos
Is it surrounded by walls topped with razor wire and machine gun armed guard towers? Do you give the Gamma's their daily penny wage before or after allowing them into your utopia of freshly painted never more than 2.56 day old fascades? uh, no..

[HottBrorb]

Those buildings are called HDB's, they were built this way to house the people with limited space. Oh, I see, I was under the impression that that the desperately poor from the sums surrounding the city (or what the rest of the world calls suburbs) provided the people who build your buildings and drove your cabs. Now I get it, you pay ivy league mechanical engineers to do your such jobs.

Two questions then:

1.) How do you keep the 4.0 Ivy League graduate aeronautical engineer high rise constuction workers from throwing themselves out of your ivory towers out of bordom?

2.) Who cleans up the thousands of dead Maylays that must be machined gunned at the border trying to infiltrate your paridise? Probably those lowly 3.8 GPA Compter Engineers, right

Or maybe you can answer my question...

"And more to the point, how many of the workers of Singapore live in the city proper? That place sure looks beyond the means of your average taxi driver to me..."

I understand that, but your point is that people are trying to live in the "pristine city", my point is that Singaporeans don't try to do that because they feel they are already within its boundaries, yknow? No, you do not get it. Singapore, the whole thing, is a city. The suburbs of Singapore are by definition not Singapore itself, and thus the suburbanites of Singapore are not Singaporeans. They are the Maylays of the picture I posted. I drive farther to work every day than the distance between that slum and Singapores city center.

[proslaviy]

There are some really crappy places here in the US.

I don't believe for a moment that there aren't any crappy places or people struggling in Singapore.

[DagoIgnog]

But Ben, I already am aware that America has many amazing spots, but I am talking about its big cities, primarily Chicago and New York. I can't comment on them. I've never been there before.

I am only discussing Chicago coz I have been there, mingled in with its workers, its offices, did this, did that, I was not your average tourist, I was a "citizen". So I do not feel I am taking my stance on Chicago from an ignorant viewpoint. Oh, no, I'll let the Chicago residents say that. I just wanted to put in my own two cents.

[Vagtlaldo]

Oh, come on. How many sheep shaggers do you really need?

[ViktorialHDY]

Originally posted by Will

Americans just don't like living in cities. Why live in the cramped city when you could live in the suburbs? I don't know. Out west the last 15 years has seen a boom of urban renewal and people moving back into the downtown areas. Mostly young professionals without kids or gay couples but still San Diego, San Francisco, Portland, Seattle, and even LA to some extent have seen big time growth and building in their downtown areas.

[Stetbrate]

Originally posted by Patroklos


Frosty Boy, the point about how far I drive being eequivalent is that I live in a suburb. Again, what protion of Singapores work force comes from within the city limits, and where do that portion that doesn't come from?

It seems you are trying to tell us Singapore is a arcology. And it is in a way, thanks to its small size. In fact, I have often thought that Singapore should be the birthplace for a world first arcology at a major scale.


Your question is difficult for me to answer, Singaporeans are well spread out throughout the land. I would estimate that only about 1-2% of Singaporeans workforce live in the main area of the city. Which goes to show you that most people live outside that area, travel time into the city is not a problem.

[cl004]

Your question is difficult for me to answer, Singaporeans are well spread out throughout the land. I would estimate that only about 1-2% of Singaporeans workforce live in the main area of the city. Which goes to show you that most people live outside that area, travel time into the city is not a problem. I can't tell if you are not answering the question because it would make you look silly, or you generally have a mental block from state education enforced by caning.

[maliboia]

Pat, I answered your question the best I can.

btw I am not from Singapore, I am from New Zealand.

[bomondus]

Having also spent considerable time in both cites. Singapore is, by far, the more pristine city.

To the point of being sterile.

Chicago on the other hand is not nearly as pristine but is far more lively and vibrant than Singapore.

ACK!

[Yinekol]

The rich people all got uppity and moved to the suburbs, and spend their money on making the suburbs all pretty and ****.

The city therefore has to make do with what it can. And it's doing well with what it can. The city, which was built and developed before Singapore built and developed itself, is rehabilitating whole swaths of urban areas using new methods after the urban renewal plans of the 60s and 70s failed; these are often done in partnership with private companies, rather than a government-run operation, which is leading, at least in the near-term, to far more successful outcomes.

Additionally, there are major plans for adding additional green spaces and cleaning up the environment around the city; the Chicago River-front property is no longer the liability it once was, as the Deep Tunnel is coming on-line bit by bit, allowing runoff to be processed much better than it has in the past; the lakefront is getting new seawalls.

The perennially underfunded CTA is improving some of its lines, as well; several stations are getting major overhauls, some of them having to be renovated while still remaning operational. Old tracks are being replaced, and the like.

There's another major difference between Singapore and Chicago, as well as older developed nations, and newer developed nations--part of the reason why Singapore finds it much easier to build/renovate stations is that there's less "legacy" to maintain; it's entirely plausible that if Chicago (and the State and Federal governments desired it) had a pressing need for an entirely new transit system, or a much increased level of service with different technologies, the investment could be made--but that would also involve having to create a situation of two competing services and methods that would muck up the city.

So.

[JohnImamadviser]

The picture you posted was not Singapore, I already stated that. There is nothing like that in Singapore.

Tuberski is right.