[9V42h1eT]

Of course I support it.

[mrPronmaker]

Originally posted by Whoha
Of course I support it. Why?

Still afraid of Russian missiles?

Spec.

[arcaniagainee]

I guess it would depend on the intent of the policy.

If it was to remove Castro it has obviously failed.

[StanWatts]

Let teh market decide whether it wants to trade with Cuba.

to Kid, GePap, and other free traders

[enteltcheft]

Originally posted by Wezil
From a moralistic point of view there is merit to the embargo. Only if you are Kantian.

[Grewlybreekly]

obviously failed.
And while I wouldn't say it was stupid when it was implemented, it certainly seems like it is now.
My favorite post on the matter was the recent.

Originally posted by Rufus T. Firefly
So our Cuba embargo worked! Thanks goodness Kennedy and Johnson and Nixon and Ford and Carter and Reagan and Bush and Clinton and Bush stayed the course; otherwise, who knows how long he might have stayed in power.

USA! USA! USA!

[wiweimeli]

DD - Then it worked.

[Marat]

Originally posted by Wezil
Was the embargo against South Africa a bad thing? Obviously there is not democratic opposition within Cuba to justify the comparison.

[truportodfa]

Originally posted by Wezil


Huh? The people of Cuba are not opposed to their government. Add to that the fact that the government there is not dependent on the US, like the government of South Africa was dependent on the UK and others. No comparison.

[Shipsyspeepay]

Originally posted by Kidicious


The people of Cuba are not opposed to their government. Okay. I wasn't sure what your point was.

Some Cubans are opposed and are in jail others are opposed and have fled the country. I'm sure many others have decided that STFU is the best policy. Why doesn't the government call a free and fair vote and see what Cubans really think?

Add to that the fact that the government there is not dependent on the US, like the government of South Africa was dependent on the UK and others. No comparison. The South African embargo worked b/c it was virtually universal. The same could not be said of Cuba. As a client state of the Soviets for years they always had their support and these days fat-assed Canadians and Spaniards lying on Cuban beaches brings in the money.

[furillo]

Originally posted by Wezil
Okay. I wasn't sure what your point was.

Some Cubans are opposed and are in jail others are opposed and have fled the country. I'm sure many others have decided that STFU is the best policy. There's a difference between opposed to the government and opposed to certain policies of the government. If people in canada were considered opposed to the government just because they opposed cetain policy you might think most of them were opposed to the government as well.
Why doesn't the government call a free and fair vote and see what Cubans really think? They fought a revolution. Isn't that enough? The enemies are still very powerfull. As Castro has stated, "I stay in power because the US tries so hard to remove me"

The South African embargo worked b/c it was virtually universal. The same could not be said of Cuba. As a client state of the Soviets for years they always had their support and these days fat-assed Canadians and Spaniards lying on Cuban beaches brings in the money. Good point. There is not much opposition to Cuba, just the hard line capitalists.

[Psymoussy]

I will say that Bush's Q&A session this morning was funny. In repsonse to one question, free trade is a panacea to all ills, and in the very next question, the Embargo must be maintained at all costs.

[padlabtard]

Originally posted by Whoha
I will say that Bush's Q&A session this morning was funny. In repsonse to one question, free trade is a panacea to all ills, and in the very next question, the Embargo must be maintained at all costs. Talking with Castro would help prop up the system, but talking to Hu Jintao helps bring freedom.

[freeprescriptionplanrrx]

Originally posted by Wezil
Some Cubans are opposed

Some Americans are opposed to our government. Embargo us.

and are in jail others are opposed

The U.S. has political prisoners and millions of economic prisoners, more than any country in the world. Clearly you must embargo us until we are free.

and have fled the country.

There are more than ten million Mexicans in the U.S. Clearly you must embargo Mexico.

Why doesn't the government call a free and fair vote and see what Cubans really think?

Cuba is a country under siege. Thousands of terrorist attacks have been carried out from the United States, including an invasion. You cannot have fee and fair elections if the country next door is trying to destroy you. The U.S. government spends many millions in many countries in order to interfere with their internal democracies.

In any event, Cuba is considerably more democratic than you know. Cubans, for example have the right to recall politicians they don't like, and they exercise this power fairly regularly. It may not be multiparty democracy, but the Cuban people have a fair amount of control over their government.

[nikolapegayyyaasss]

You cannot have fee and fair elections if the country next door is trying to destroy you I'm anti-embargo, and I think our government's actions vis-a-vis Cuba have been despicable. This, however, doesn't fly. It may be harder, I'll grant. But that line is just an excuse for the old dictator to remain in power (or hand it off to his brother). Which, of course, is one of the reasons I'm anti-embargo...

-Arrian

[piramirra]

Originally posted by Arrian
I'm anti-embargo, and I think our government's actions vis-a-vis Cuba have been despicable. This, however, doesn't fly. It may be harder, I'll grant. But that line is just an excuse for the old dictator to remain in power (or hand it off to his brother). Which, of course, is one of the reasons I'm anti-embargo...

-Arrian Well, you are anti-embargo, but the US is not. Perhaps you are not even anti-communism per se, but the US is. So, yes, it's an excuse.

[insightmike]

Originally posted by SlowwHand
Nothing mandates that one country trade or aid another. I think the doctrine of Free Trade does...

[suilusargaino]

The embargo has always been there because the US goverment hated Castro for a number of embarassing things. The two goverments need each other to renforce their own selfish ends.

It does amuse me however how some in the US looks to Castro as some romantic figure who only does bad things because the evil US gave him no option. It's about power plain and simple. Those who elevate Castro to some heroic status are doing a great diservice to the Cuban people. Cuba will be better off when the Castro's are gone. They don't have to do the bidding of the US in order to have freedom.

[bromgeksan]

They fought a revolution. Isn't that enough? I always thought those 250 odd years worth of elections were superflourous as well.

Communism at any cost

Kid

[dexterljohnthefinanceguy]

I can see this is going nowhere (and I'm not in for that ride today).

Originally posted by Kidicious

There's a difference between opposed to the government and opposed to certain policies of the government. If people in canada were considered opposed to the government just because they opposed cetain policy you might think most of them were opposed to the government as well. Surely you jest? Can you not see the difference? The political opposition in Canada wastes money in Ottawa. The political opposition in Cuba is removed (one way or another).

They fought a revolution. Isn't that enough? The enemies are still very powerfull. As Castro has stated, "I stay in power because the US tries so hard to remove me"

The war is meant to be continuous...

Call a vote. Ballots not bullets. The sad fact is commies are allergic to ballots but have no problem with bullets...


Good point. There is not much opposition to Cuba, just the hard line capitalists. You are deliberately obtuse. There are Cuban political refugees around the world and well documented cases of human rights abuse. There is considerable opposition to that regime.