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**Chooriwrocaey** · 11-12-2007, 08:02 PM

Originally posted by DirtyMartini
Even Gladiator has as it's hero a farmer who is willing to fight, but who would rather war would just end so he could go back to his fields.

"Three weeks from now, I will be harvesting my crops. Imagine where you will be, and it will be so. Hold the line! Stay with me! If you find yourself alone, riding in green fields with teh sun on your face, do not be troubled, for you are in Elysium, and you are already dead! Brothers, what we do in life echoes in eternity"

:goosebumps:

rgasm:

**PyncGyncliacy** · 11-12-2007, 09:04 PM

We Were Soldiers?

Never saw it.

**v74ClzKY** · 11-12-2007, 09:56 PM

"Say what you want about Mel Gibson, at least the man understands story structure"

**MFSSCW2c** · 11-12-2007, 10:04 PM

Positive about "We Were Soldiers" was that the Vietnamese weren't depicted simply as nazis. Aside from that it was just a war movie with a "war sucks - but sometimes individuals have to go through it - at home families wait - the hero returns" message much like described above by DM. It wasn't really pro-war, and not clearly anti-war either IMO.

**12Dvop4I** · 11-12-2007, 10:18 PM

Originally posted by Oerdin
Bah, that movie was filled with cliches. Yes, I agree. I don't think it was overall a great movie.

**Brutton** · 11-12-2007, 11:23 PM

If he could *** $400 million wouldn't he just stay at home all day watching porn and wacking off?

On another note DanS's last post just helps to prove what people have already said in this thread. Americans like Action movies and not boring political diatribes. Feel free to continue pretending being pro or anti war was even a remote factor if it pleases you.

**Freedjome** · 11-12-2007, 11:31 PM

There have been so many anti-war films in the past, especially after Vietnam.

And what's new that war films like Platoon and Full Metal jacket don't send the same message? People suffer, die, go through emotional turmoil. **** gets blown up. Yeah, people know what's going on in Iraq thanks to an all pervasive media. The News reports it 24/7 and most people are against the occupation now. Anti-war movies aren't going to add much at this point.

**BenWired306** · 11-12-2007, 11:52 PM

Rendition's CIA. You know, the organization with a substantial paramilitary force stocked full of special ops folks? You may have heard of it.

**Julik19** · 11-13-2007, 12:01 AM

Originally posted by DanS
Errr... His last film, Mission Impossible: III, cumed $400 million. His second to last film, War of the Worlds, cumed $600 million.

Yeh, sounds like a real has-been to me. WOTW was before he went critical-mass crazy. MI3 was expected to earn a lot more as part of a highly popular series. Cruise was given the boot from his old production company or what-have-you after the (relative) flop. There was a brief but noisy sound-bite catfight between him and his former superiors. Look it up on www.tomcruiseisnuts.com (I'm not sure if the site is still up tho').

**Kt-viagra** · 11-13-2007, 04:37 AM

Originally posted by DanS

Since when are FBI agents warriors?

Since the X-files. Where were you in the '90s?

**ImmitsRom** · 11-13-2007, 04:44 AM

Americans are teh gay!

**Symnunidanimb** · 11-13-2007, 04:49 AM

Dude, that's totally racist!

**Bromikka** · 11-13-2007, 04:58 AM

I'm not White. I can't be racist!

**lXwVlTgO** · 11-13-2007, 05:00 AM

Originally posted by GePap
Think of "The Kingdom", in which brave FBI agents go hunting down terrorist after a huge attack in KSA.
It was a huge spectacle, unlike all the movies you mentioned save Lion for Lambs, with big names, and in the US it made less than $50 million, which for a movie on it's scale, is poor. Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
Good example

I'm just interested in seeing how Dan will try to weasel that one into not a pro-war film

. Just OOC, has either of you seen it?

**gagagaridze** · 11-13-2007, 05:44 AM

Originally posted by Darius871

Just OOC, havehas either of you seen it? Fixed[/grammarnazi]

**Zvmwissq** · 11-13-2007, 05:50 AM

Band of Brothers, while not a Hollywood movie, got excellent reviews. I wouldn't call it pro- or anti- war, but it had enough scenes in it to make a person think twice about being gung-ho about war.

**i32I7qyH** · 11-13-2007, 08:11 AM

Originally posted by DanS
But it's interesting to see a far left Hollywood still serve up those movies. As if it were some public service that they were doing.

Lions for Lambs... bombed
Rendition... bombed
In the Valley of Elah... bombed
Redacted... to bomb?

Despite a who's who of top notch talent participating in the films.

http://www.deadlinehollywooddaily.co...enzel-russell/

Some of these films even are in the majority opinion on these issues.

It used to be that Hollywood participated in the government's propaganda. But that hasn't been the case for the last 50 years.

My personal opinion is that Americans don't go into self flagellation. If Hollywood wants to put the hate on America, then middle America (and not so middle America) checks out. Maybe they just don't support crappy films.

11-12-2007, 08:02 PM	#21
Chooriwrocaey Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 463 Senior Member	Originally posted by DirtyMartini Even Gladiator has as it's hero a farmer who is willing to fight, but who would rather war would just end so he could go back to his fields. "Three weeks from now, I will be harvesting my crops. Imagine where you will be, and it will be so. Hold the line! Stay with me! If you find yourself alone, riding in green fields with teh sun on your face, do not be troubled, for you are in Elysium, and you are already dead! Brothers, what we do in life echoes in eternity" :goosebumps:rgasm: Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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PyncGyncliacy Join Date Nov 2005 Posts 706 Senior Member	We Were Soldiers? Never saw it. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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11-12-2007, 10:04 PM	#24
MFSSCW2c Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 444 Senior Member	Positive about "We Were Soldiers" was that the Vietnamese weren't depicted simply as nazis. Aside from that it was just a war movie with a "war sucks - but sometimes individuals have to go through it - at home families wait - the hero returns" message much like described above by DM. It wasn't really pro-war, and not clearly anti-war either IMO. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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11-12-2007, 10:18 PM	#25
12Dvop4I Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 549 Senior Member	Originally posted by Oerdin Bah, that movie was filled with cliches. Yes, I agree. I don't think it was overall a great movie. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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11-12-2007, 11:23 PM	#26
Brutton Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 493 Senior Member	If he could *** $400 million wouldn't he just stay at home all day watching porn and wacking off? On another note DanS's last post just helps to prove what people have already said in this thread. Americans like Action movies and not boring political diatribes. Feel free to continue pretending being pro or anti war was even a remote factor if it pleases you. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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11-12-2007, 11:31 PM	#27
Freedjome Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 424 Senior Member	There have been so many anti-war films in the past, especially after Vietnam. And what's new that war films like Platoon and Full Metal jacket don't send the same message? People suffer, die, go through emotional turmoil. **** gets blown up. Yeah, people know what's going on in Iraq thanks to an all pervasive media. The News reports it 24/7 and most people are against the occupation now. Anti-war movies aren't going to add much at this point. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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11-12-2007, 11:52 PM	#28
BenWired306 Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 471 Senior Member	Rendition's CIA. You know, the organization with a substantial paramilitary force stocked full of special ops folks? You may have heard of it. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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11-13-2007, 12:01 AM	#29
Julik19 Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 468 Senior Member	Originally posted by DanS Errr... His last film, Mission Impossible: III, cumed $400 million. His second to last film, War of the Worlds, cumed $600 million. Yeh, sounds like a real has-been to me. WOTW was before he went critical-mass crazy. MI3 was expected to earn a lot more as part of a highly popular series. Cruise was given the boot from his old production company or what-have-you after the (relative) flop. There was a brief but noisy sound-bite catfight between him and his former superiors. Look it up on www.tomcruiseisnuts.com (I'm not sure if the site is still up tho'). Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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11-13-2007, 04:37 AM	#30
Kt-viagra Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 444 Senior Member	Originally posted by DanS Since when are FBI agents warriors? Since the X-files. Where were you in the '90s? Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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11-13-2007, 05:00 AM	#34
lXwVlTgO Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 545 Senior Member	Originally posted by GePap Think of "The Kingdom", in which brave FBI agents go hunting down terrorist after a huge attack in KSA. It was a huge spectacle, unlike all the movies you mentioned save Lion for Lambs, with big names, and in the US it made less than $50 million, which for a movie on it's scale, is poor. Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Good example I'm just interested in seeing how Dan will try to weasel that one into not a pro-war film . Just OOC, has either of you seen it? Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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gagagaridze Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 518 Senior Member	Originally posted by Darius871 Just OOC, havehas either of you seen it? Fixed[/grammarnazi] Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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11-13-2007, 05:50 AM	#36
Zvmwissq Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 522 Senior Member	Band of Brothers, while not a Hollywood movie, got excellent reviews. I wouldn't call it pro- or anti- war, but it had enough scenes in it to make a person think twice about being gung-ho about war. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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11-13-2007, 08:11 AM	#37
i32I7qyH Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 418 Senior Member	Originally posted by DanS But it's interesting to see a far left Hollywood still serve up those movies. As if it were some public service that they were doing. Lions for Lambs... bombed Rendition... bombed In the Valley of Elah... bombed Redacted... to bomb? Despite a who's who of top notch talent participating in the films. http://www.deadlinehollywooddaily.co...enzel-russell/ Some of these films even are in the majority opinion on these issues. It used to be that Hollywood participated in the government's propaganda. But that hasn't been the case for the last 50 years. My personal opinion is that Americans don't go into self flagellation. If Hollywood wants to put the hate on America, then middle America (and not so middle America) checks out. Maybe they just don't support crappy films. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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