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**zzquo0iR** · 09-22-2007, 01:21 AM

He's dead in the sense of having no influence, which is what was meant.

**neerewed** · 09-22-2007, 01:30 AM

Whatever, DaShi.

**quedry36** · 09-22-2007, 01:35 AM

Originally posted by SlowwHand
He's dead in the sense of having no influence, which is what was meant. Not totally without influence:

After his retirement as President, Mandela went on to become an advocate for a variety of social and human rights organisations. He has expressed his support for the international Make Poverty History movement of which the ONE Campaign is a part.

Mandela appeared in a televised advertisement for the 2006 Winter Olympics, and was quoted for the International Olympic Committee's Celebrate Humanity campaign.

**vdw4Epsi** · 09-22-2007, 01:38 AM

What's idiotic about that quote? He wasn't even asserting that teh real Mandela was dead.

**vforvandetta** · 09-22-2007, 02:08 AM

It was a poor choice of words, and possibly untrue.

**alskdjreyfd** · 09-22-2007, 02:34 AM

Originally posted by Kuciwalker
Only an idiot would misunderstand the quote. Ack! Bush is contagious!

**plaiskegizils** · 09-22-2007, 03:12 AM

From the OP:

"Where's Mandela? Well, Mandela's dead because Saddam Hussein killed all the Mandelas."

Don't know about you all (looking at you Sloww), but this looks straight forward to me. Mandela is dead and Saddam killed him.

Or maybe my English teacher from way back then was worse than I thought him to be?

**XVzrlWIv** · 09-22-2007, 03:21 AM

Originally posted by Hueij
From the OP:

"Where's Mandela? Well, Mandela's dead because Saddam Hussein killed all the Mandelas."

Don't know about you all (looking at you Sloww), but this looks straight forward to me. Mandela is dead and Saddam killed him.

Or maybe my English teacher from way back then was worse than I thought him to be? He was speaking figuratively. He wasn't meaning "the" Mandela.

As I said, it was poorly worded.

**Liaptoono** · 09-22-2007, 03:44 AM

Originally posted by Hueij
From the OP:

"Where's Mandela? Well, Mandela's dead because Saddam Hussein killed all the Mandelas."

Don't know about you all (looking at you Sloww), but this looks straight forward to me. Mandela is dead and Saddam killed him.

Or maybe my English teacher from way back then was worse than I thought him to be? The clue that it's figurative (apart from the fact that he's bringing up Mandela re: Iraq) is the plural - there isn't some clone army of Nelson Mandelas.

**Bounce** · 09-22-2007, 03:59 AM

Man, this is the stupidest thing I've seen in quite a while.

Hueij

Where's a leftist with an actual clue? Well, he's dead because knee-jerk hatred of anything President Bush will do or say has caused leftists to completely lose their minds.

**reiruviartugs** · 09-22-2007, 10:44 PM

Originally posted by Dr Strangelove
Well does anyone have any info about the Iraqi Mandelas? i'm pretty sure bush or his writers dont have any info at all....

**MoreEndotte** · 09-23-2007, 11:12 AM

Y, there are far better 'Bushisms' if you want to laugh at the man. This was minor.

**valensds** · 09-24-2007, 01:34 AM

I think all Bushisms are fair game to laugh at.

**stuck_in_WA** · 09-24-2007, 03:37 AM

In times like this, we need all the laughter we can get. That is Bush's legacy.

**DoctorTOneery** · 09-24-2007, 04:45 AM

of course TDS commented on this...

**virtuah** · 09-24-2007, 03:20 PM

Soooo witty you are

**Kimmitmelvirm** · 09-24-2007, 06:40 PM

Well a charismatic leader is certainly something Iraq could do with.

India managed the huge advance required at independance so as to be able to develop towards nation statehood.

Which I think must be put down to their having Ghandi.

And the only country, Botswana, which made work the (democratic) constitution which the UK gave to it at independance had Seretse Khama.

Sadly such folk don't come along to order.

I very much doubt that there was some pool of charismatic leaders waiting conveniently in Iraq.

Anyway, at least Mr Bush is starting to acknowledge that there were problems about re-establishing peace in Iraq consequent upon his decision to topple the Hussein regime.

He is not the quickest thinker in the world but maybe he can get there in the end if things are demonstrated to him clearly enough and over a long enough period.

**wiweimeli** · 09-25-2007, 02:19 AM

Originally posted by Dr Strangelove
So really Bush is saying that apartheid South Africa was better than Saddam's Iraq because South Africa let Nelson Mandela live while Saddam Hussein exterminated all of his opposition?

Saddam didnt read the entire "Dictatorship Survival Guide" though

09-22-2007, 01:21 AM	#1
zzquo0iR Join Date Nov 2005 Posts 397 Senior Member	South African Non-Aggressor Still Alive Despite Bush Idiotic Remark He's dead in the sense of having no influence, which is what was meant. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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quedry36 Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 427 Senior Member	Originally posted by SlowwHand He's dead in the sense of having no influence, which is what was meant. Not totally without influence: After his retirement as President, Mandela went on to become an advocate for a variety of social and human rights organisations. He has expressed his support for the international Make Poverty History movement of which the ONE Campaign is a part. Mandela appeared in a televised advertisement for the 2006 Winter Olympics, and was quoted for the International Olympic Committee's Celebrate Humanity campaign. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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vdw4Epsi Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 447 Senior Member	What's idiotic about that quote? He wasn't even asserting that teh real Mandela was dead. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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vforvandetta Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 442 Senior Member	It was a poor choice of words, and possibly untrue. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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alskdjreyfd Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 481 Senior Member	Originally posted by Kuciwalker Only an idiot would misunderstand the quote. Ack! Bush is contagious! Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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09-22-2007, 03:12 AM	#7
plaiskegizils Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 549 Senior Member	From the OP: "Where's Mandela? Well, Mandela's dead because Saddam Hussein killed all the Mandelas." Don't know about you all (looking at you Sloww), but this looks straight forward to me. Mandela is dead and Saddam killed him. Or maybe my English teacher from way back then was worse than I thought him to be? Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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XVzrlWIv Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 522 Senior Member	Originally posted by Hueij From the OP: "Where's Mandela? Well, Mandela's dead because Saddam Hussein killed all the Mandelas." Don't know about you all (looking at you Sloww), but this looks straight forward to me. Mandela is dead and Saddam killed him. Or maybe my English teacher from way back then was worse than I thought him to be? He was speaking figuratively. He wasn't meaning "the" Mandela. As I said, it was poorly worded. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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Liaptoono Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 679 Senior Member	Originally posted by Hueij From the OP: "Where's Mandela? Well, Mandela's dead because Saddam Hussein killed all the Mandelas." Don't know about you all (looking at you Sloww), but this looks straight forward to me. Mandela is dead and Saddam killed him. Or maybe my English teacher from way back then was worse than I thought him to be? The clue that it's figurative (apart from the fact that he's bringing up Mandela re: Iraq) is the plural - there isn't some clone army of Nelson Mandelas. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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Bounce Join Date Oct 2005 Age 55 Posts 400 Senior Member	Man, this is the stupidest thing I've seen in quite a while. Hueij Where's a leftist with an actual clue? Well, he's dead because knee-jerk hatred of anything President Bush will do or say has caused leftists to completely lose their minds. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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reiruviartugs Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 387 Senior Member	Originally posted by Dr Strangelove Well does anyone have any info about the Iraqi Mandelas? i'm pretty sure bush or his writers dont have any info at all.... Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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virtuah Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 357 Senior Member	Soooo witty you are Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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Kimmitmelvirm Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 416 Senior Member	Well a charismatic leader is certainly something Iraq could do with. India managed the huge advance required at independance so as to be able to develop towards nation statehood. Which I think must be put down to their having Ghandi. And the only country, Botswana, which made work the (democratic) constitution which the UK gave to it at independance had Seretse Khama. Sadly such folk don't come along to order. I very much doubt that there was some pool of charismatic leaders waiting conveniently in Iraq. Anyway, at least Mr Bush is starting to acknowledge that there were problems about re-establishing peace in Iraq consequent upon his decision to topple the Hussein regime. He is not the quickest thinker in the world but maybe he can get there in the end if things are demonstrated to him clearly enough and over a long enough period. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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09-25-2007, 02:19 AM	#18
wiweimeli Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 588 Senior Member	Originally posted by Dr Strangelove So really Bush is saying that apartheid South Africa was better than Saddam's Iraq because South Africa let Nelson Mandela live while Saddam Hussein exterminated all of his opposition? Saddam didnt read the entire "Dictatorship Survival Guide" though Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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