[educationonlines]

Yes, and you're ours.

[Flikemommoilt]

Stop pretending to be French and admit you live in a totally forgetable town in the mid-west.

[padlabtard]

I see. Drake's case of Boring Midwestern Town Delirium is worse then we thought. Spending so many years living in a town where there is nothing more to do then drink watery urine tasting beer and go cow tipping has completely addled his brain. Drake has come to believe that pretending to live any where else is better then admitting he is from the Midwest. Even if it meaning pretending to be... French.

[BPitt]

I say the same about John Ashcroft...

[Worseacar]

Who the **** cares about Winnipeg?

[Frannypaync]

Originally posted by Oerdin
Stop pretending to be French and admit you live in a totally forgetable town in the mid-west.
Don't hyphenate Midwest!

[discountviagraman]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker
Who the **** cares about Winnipeg? I dunno. Winnipegleggians??

[redDoodia]

Originally posted by MightyTiny
Here's a pretty good article that deals with the silly claims of the 911 conspiracy theorists, and exposes the sort of selective reporting that they use to give false impressions to support the "great conspiracy":

http://www.skeptic.com/eskeptic/06-09-11.html I've taken a look at that link and I found nothing surprising, it's typical of the deception and dishonesty found among so-called "debunkers." Here are a couple of examples:
What about the “melted steel” that 9/11 conspiracy theorists claim was at Ground Zero? Dr. Steven Jones’ popular article cites several anecdotal sources speaking about flowing or pooled samples of melted steel found at Ground Zero.8 However, the sources in question are informal observations of “steel” at Ground Zero, not laboratory results.9 To many people, any grayish metal looks sufficiently like steel to call it “steel” when speaking informally. To actually establish that the substance in question is steel, we need analytical laboratory results using atomic absorption (AA) or another suitable test. It seems far more likely that the metal seen by the contractors was aluminum, a component of the WTC structural material that melts at a much lower temperature than steel and can look superficially similar to it. In other words, we are supposed to believe that the FEMA experts who investigated the rubble were incapable of determining whether the metal was steel or aluminum.
Although most of the structural steel from the Twin Towers and Building 7 was removed and destroyed, preventing forensic analysis, FEMA's investigators did manage to perform "limited metallurgical examination" of some of the steel before it was recycled. Their observations, including numerous micrographs, are recorded in Appendix C of the WTC Building Performance Study. Prior to the release of FEMA's report, a fire protection engineer and two science professors published a brief report in JOM disclosing some of this evidence.
The results of the examination are striking. They reveal a phenomenon never before observed in building fires: eutectic reactions, which caused "intergranular melting capable of turning a solid steel girder into Swiss cheese." The New York Times described this as "perhaps the deepest mystery uncovered in the investigation."
http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evid...rgy/index.html
Here's a link to Appendix C of the FEMA report:
http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evid...WTC_apndxC.htm

Since bin-Laden and al Qaeda have officially claimed responsibility for the attacks of 9/11, there is no point in seeking alternative theories. Conveniently ignored is the fact that bin Laden actually denied any involvement in 9/11. And it ignores the overwhelming evidence that the bin Laden or bin Ladens who claimed responsibility are probably impostors. Even the FBI refuses to list 9/11 as one of the crimes for which Osama Bin Laden is wanted on the FBI's Most Wanted poster of Bin Laden, and its spokesman has gone on record stating that "there is no hard evidence connecting Bin Laden to 9/11.”





And this debunker doesn't even try to debunk the fact that the source of the anthrax in the post-911 anthrax attacks was traced to the Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases at Fort Detrick, and that top Bush administration officials began taking the anti-anthrax drug Cipro one week before the first anthrax attack took place.

http://www.judicialwatch.org/1967.shtml

[Vitoethiche]

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You're too much, Slaughter.

[soprofaxelbis]

MightyTiny, I figured that you would find this quote interesting: "I would be the first to admit that our film definitely contained errors, it still does contain some dubious claims, and it does come to some conclusions that are not 100% backed up by the facts.” - Dylan Avery Loose Change director source

[nmnrIjGB]

Originally posted by MightyTiny
The corrosive elements lowered the temperature at which the load bearing ability of the steel was compromised, and this corrosion, coupled with the heat, resulted in the pattern that your source touts some sort of evidence for a conspiracy. The article mentions several sources for chemicals which could result in such patterns in the steel as was evidenced - from acid rain to salt in sea air to flammable office materials. Your source failed to report any of these reasonable, simple explanations of the observation, but instead insinuated that this is proof of some conspiracy so far fetched that it's beyond silly. This does not in any way explain the melting that was observed.

The exact words the FEMA report used were "Evidence of a severe high temperature corrosion attack on the steel, including oxidation and sulfidation with subsequent intergranular melting, was readily visible in the near-surface microstructure."

Sure, it may be theoretically possible that things like acid rain and salt in the sea air may have caused the corrosion and explain the presence of the chemicals, (at least until the experiments that would prove or disprove this theory get carried out, if they ever do get carried out) but it still does not explain the melting that was observed.
And yes, the chemicals lowered the melting point of the steel to ~1000 C but even debunkers like Eager & Musso are forced to admit that "it is highly unlikely that the steel at the WTC experienced temperatures above the 750–800°C range."
http://www.tms.org/pubs/journals/JOM...agar-0112.html

[CIAFreeAgent]

Originally posted by MightyTiny All we can do is at the whole thing and wonder at the whole sad affair. It wasn't sad for the Israeli Mossad agents who were caught celebrating "mission accomplished" on 9/11:

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/1102-07.htm

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/fiveisraelis.html

[vansVoish]

No date on that clip so it is very possible that it is taken out of context.

[P3bWjm1j]

Originally posted by Oerdin
No date on that clip so it is very possible that it is taken out of context. Here's another clip of the same report which includes the context:

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fu...oID=2023096989