[HondasMenFox]

I don't think an open borders system implies that we accept countries actively sending groups of people here.

[Frannypaync]

Even assuming that the system could handle it, I think that it would still be likely that people would want to come to the U.S. after the jobs have dried up. What would they have to lose?

I'd choose a job in my own country over no job in America. Unless I lived in Zimbabwe, that is.

[CHEAPSOFTOEMONLINE]

The US has pretty low unemployment. I suspect that our economy can find uses for a lot more workers.

[rammossyAcron]

Oh, boo hoo.

[T5qYkHWQ]

Here's what I think. Seal the borders, give the guards authorization to fire at whomever starts across.
At the same time, those who are in, can stay in; provided they declare themselves and are given an identification card like any other person.
I don't know about California, but in Texas an i.d. is required, either a driver's license or other.

[riverakathy]

Oerdin goes through these phases. Like a female and her time of the month. No biggie.

[iNYZgxNC]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
Do we really need Oerdin in here calling people racists again? Isn't that what got the original thread deleted? The original thread was deleted, against my will, because the mods decided we were engaging in personal attacks.

[rNr5Di3S]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
That's kinda like saying, we shouldn't bother to put out that house fire because there are just going to be more. No, it's kinda like saying we shouldn't bother pouring gasoline on the house fire just for the sake of saying we did something about the problem. I fail to see anything noble in taking an action simply for th sake of taking action when it won't accomplish the goals set out.

[bebeacc]

Oh I believe you. I'm just amused you worded it "decided we were engaging in personal attacks" instead of "recognized the obvious."

[Usendyduexy]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
No, it's kinda like saying we shouldn't bother pouring gasoline on the house fire just for the sake of saying we did something about the problem. I fail to see anything noble in taking an action simply for th sake of taking action when it won't accomplish the goals set out. The stated goals were to 1) make it harder for illegals to find jobs in the US and 2) to get 12 million people out of the shadows, to pay back taxes, and to find a path to earned legalization. The bill would have accomplished those goals.

The new national data base and "real ID" cards would have made it impossible for employers to claim they didn't know workers were illegal and the earned citizenship path would have taken 12 million people out of the shadows and on to the path to legalization. It would have accomplished all of the goals set out.

[PerfectCreditForYou]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker
Oh I believe you. I'm just amused you worded it "decided we were engaging in personal attacks" instead of "recognized the obvious." I don't speak for Ming. He told me the personal attacks had to end and that similiar PMs were sent to the other parties.

[proslaviy]

He lied to you.

[ZenDers]

I didn't lie... personal attacks will stop... or some posters won't be posting much longer.

Now get back on topic

[Rapiddude]

Originally posted by SlowwHand
Here's what I think. Seal the borders, give the guards authorization to fire at whomever starts across.
At the same time, those who are in, can stay in; provided they declare themselves and are given an identification card like any other person.
I don't know about California, but in Texas an i.d. is required, either a driver's license or other. What you're not understanding is everyone uses fake documents now days and the employers know the documents are fake but the police have to prove it which is almost impossible since there is no independent way of verifying that documents are real. The new data base would have made it the employers responsibility to check documents against the data base so if an illegal was found working for them they couldn't claim they didn't know. That's now out the window.

[Si8jy8HN]

The real goal of the bill was to further alienate the GOP from Hispanics. It has been immensely successful. Shame that they're gonna vote Democrat though.

[Ijkavylo]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker
I would rather businesses hire illegals than not hire anyone.
Why would you say something so odd?
No, it's not meant as a rhetorical question. You wish.

[Byxtysaaqwuz]

There are no such thing as "no more jobs", they'll simply have to work for a lower wage then the guy who came in ahead of them.

Immigrants who came in through open borders would work for the minimum wage or higher. Since their entry into the US wasn't illegal, there's no reason for them not to report employers who try to break the minimum wage law.