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Old 06-17-2007, 08:24 PM   #1
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Default Islam and extraterritorial loyalties
Why, necessarily, is this a bad thing?
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Old 06-17-2007, 08:32 PM   #2
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No. You should explain why the country has to be the highest priority though.
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Old 06-17-2007, 08:39 PM   #3
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Surely Partition results from having national allegiance being the highest priority. Wouldn't have happened if people hadn't been so attached to the idea of having their own separate nations.
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Old 06-17-2007, 08:46 PM   #4
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Another gem:

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Old 06-17-2007, 09:07 PM   #5
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Here's the best evidence why this is not good.

A whopping 12% support terrorists!

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Old 06-17-2007, 09:23 PM   #6
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Out of 150 votes on an internet poll.
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Old 06-17-2007, 09:24 PM   #7
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Originally posted by aneeshm
Here's the best evidence why this is not good.

A whopping 12% support terrorists!

Even worse a whopping 26% want to murder people (but can't spell it)!
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Old 06-17-2007, 09:28 PM   #8
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Those 150 votes are cast by those English-educated Muslims who have internet access - effectively, the elite of their community. If this were a poll conducted on the street, 150 would be too small a number. But even 10% of 150, when that 150 is an elite, is a cause for concern.
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Old 06-17-2007, 09:29 PM   #9
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Originally posted by aneeshm
Those 150 votes are cast by those English-educated Muslims who have internet access - effectively, the elite of their community. If this were a poll conducted on the street, 150 would be too small a number. But even 10% of 150, when that 150 is an elite, is a cause for concern. Go skim an intro stat textbook and get back to me.
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Old 06-17-2007, 09:34 PM   #10
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Where's Provost? I want him to know other people have worse sarcasm detectors than I do.
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Old 06-17-2007, 09:38 PM   #11
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@ Vesayen

I admit that that's mostly true - I doubt, for instance, if any of the great "devout" girls who vote there actually wear the Hijab - but it's the attitudes that worry me. Even if it's one in a hundred who thinks like this, that one is a person who can be swayed by non-Indian co-religionists into taking part in anti-national activities.

For instance, the organisation called SIMI (The Students' Islamic Movement of India) started out fine and moderate, but slid into extremism, to the point where they started providing logistical support to terrorists. These attitudes, even if shared only by one in a hundred, can lead to SIMI-like problems.
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Old 06-17-2007, 09:42 PM   #12
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FFS, why don't you just bump your old threads aneeshm? They can all be summarized as "Islam/Christianity bad! Hinduism good!"
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Old 06-17-2007, 09:44 PM   #13
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Originally posted by Vesayen
If these are really kids, these attitudes are not going to hold up as they age. Especially if they really ARE wealthy, they wont be disatisfied and want to change the status quo, when they get older. Most of the angry muslims in the world are angry over their poverty and then, the imams capitalize on that anger and focus it against non muslims, and the west. Even if we assume that they're all children (which I know isn't the case, but I'm assuming it for the sake of discussion), and that only one percent of them retain their opinions, and everyone else discards them, that leaves 650,000 people who are willing to provide some sort of support to SIMI-like anti-national organisations.
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Old 06-17-2007, 09:53 PM   #14
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What is your evidence that 1% of them, has, and will act on ideas which will hurt your country? Where are you getting 650,000 from?
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Old 06-17-2007, 10:39 PM   #15
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SIMI itself had/has 20,000 members. (No source cited)

The founder has disowned it, by the way.
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Old 06-17-2007, 10:43 PM   #16
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What is meant by aliens? Immigrants? I guess almost none. That's what worrying - even after hundreds of living here, anti-national sentiments still exist on this scale.
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Old 06-17-2007, 10:48 PM   #17
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Serious question though: How long until aneeshm snaps and suicide bombs a Starbucks in New Delhi?
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Old 06-17-2007, 10:52 PM   #18
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It's not unique to India. It's there even in Europe. Many Muslims grow up hating the very welfare state which mothers them.
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Old 06-17-2007, 10:54 PM   #19
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Always cool when you want to distinguish yourself from the west by imitating it
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Old 06-17-2007, 11:01 PM   #20
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There should be a rule against creating the same thread both here and @ cfc. At least if it involves India.
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