[wrefrinny]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
So we aren't paying you to do something that you should be doing yourselves (securing your nuclear stocks)? You are certainly paying, to mutual benefit.

[jokilewqs]

Originally posted by The Vagabond
That is, we'll never agree to join the decadent EU, however much you may supplicate.

[Dilangfh]

Meh. It's just old rhetorics. So they target their missiles against Euro targets. It's just saying that we might do this gesture that has no real meaning.

What people have to understand is the old rhetorics. This is really not a big deal IMO. We get always messages that if you join NATO, we will be forced to defend ourselves, and we choose the way we defend ourselves. I mean, it's news as much as who won the Idols. This is how Putin talks. This isn't "we're gonna attack you". It's "if you do this, we want something in return".

Surely there's paranoia and the old "NO! We are the real victims here!", but that said, they don't want a war with NATO, US, EU or all combined. And neither does the West want war with Russia. It's not about who can win, it's about what's the point? There's no real reasons, actually ANY reasons where it would make sense. I'm sure our Eurasian strategists will claim that the West wants to take over the east with military power and slaughter everyone but that's not what we want. We want to put McDonalds and Coca Cola on every corner and just get the money, and that's what happens without war anyway.

So no, this isn't a threat. You have to get the Putin translation book out and see what it means. They just want to get into the game, where someone asks what they think about such moves and back into the geopolitical map. That is, they want to come in for the loot as well and become a hub for the east that should be consulted as well.

I ask again, so what if they target missiles? It's nothing but a gesture. They can't launch a single missile and neither will the west. Keep on building and let the others bark.

[Weislenalkata]

nm

[spklnraz]

Well, I worked for a defense contractor for 12 years and could have retired in 2-3 more years, if the wimp communists hadn't taken their toys and gone home.
Really screwed me.

[acneman]

Originally posted by DaShi


You got me. I'll never make this mistake again.

[tropicana]

Originally posted by The Vagabond
Still it is less comfortable to live knowing that the missiles are already directed at you. When it takes so luittle time to target them, why would it make anyome more uncomfortable than they were already?

[AngelinaLip]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
When it takes so luittle time to target them, why would it make anyome more uncomfortable than they were already? Psychologically (on a subconscious level at least, whatever reasonable arguments you may come up with), it's a big difference. Besides, the likelihood of a malfunction increases, the recognition of which also contributes to the tension.

[teridbruse]

Vagabond: face it, your country just isn't terribly important anymore. You're a second-rate power at best.

[Pypeassesty]

The effect that it turns people against your country? No one's going to give in to Russian demands because of this.

[Glipseagrilia]

What the foreigners do isn't Putin's main concern. This is all a show for his domestic audience to try to convince them Russia still matters.

[baritkello]

Dude, we have comfortable lives. Maybe this is the source of your envy?

In effect, you have already justified all hostile actions, stating that sometimes things needs to get worse. Here's how your statement fails, it's not our lives that would get so much worse. Like someone pointed out, we don't care. THere's nothing you can do. You will be demolished even if one single 'malfunctioning' warhead should launch.

If you want a military build up, guess where that money is away from? You'll only get poorer as a result, I mean one would guess people learned from the cold war, especially how it ended. Go ahead, keep on barking, that's all you've got.

[HagsPusia]

Well, the answer to this is not a military build up. It's a domestic problem.

[ambiddetcat]

Originally posted by The Vagabond
And your point being...

The mere fact that such a discussion (not on Poly, but in the real world politics) goes on shows that what you said is not quite opportune. We're worried about Iran, too, but that doesn't make them anything more than an uppity third-world country (like Russia, really).

[Nurfzerne]

Originally posted by The Vagabond


Do you seriously think that Russia doesn't matter anymore? This is really what its all about. Not Russian security. It's about Russia being pissed as hell that they didn't have the ability to prevent western influience in what they truely believe as their area. The Poles don't have to ask your premission to do anything anymore so get over it.

[searkibia]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker


We're worried about Iran, too, but that doesn't make them anything more than an uppity third-world country (like Russia, really). If you put Russia on the same level as Iran, it's a problem of your perception. I have nothing to add, except that perception probelms may one day lead to real problems.