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Old 04-13-2007, 06:54 PM   #1
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Default Corruption, bribery and nepotism
I'm no fan of Wolfowitz, but...

what?

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Old 04-13-2007, 07:10 PM   #2
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Read that the other day, but even I can only bash the Yanks so much...
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Old 04-13-2007, 07:16 PM   #3
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Originally posted by LordShiva

Basically, he gave a promotion and raise to his girlfriend. Women in the workplace



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Old 04-13-2007, 07:32 PM   #4
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Originally posted by lord of the mark
The board voted her pay, IIUC, Wolfowitz didnt determine it.

And shes been detailed to the US State dept, IIUC, so shes not working directly for him anymore.
You have any right to be kind with him. He himself is less kind that you, saying :"I made a mistake, for which I am sorry".

Nota bene : the mistake is not the Irak war, just the salary increase.
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Old 04-13-2007, 07:34 PM   #5
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Originally posted by DAVOUT


You have any right to be kind with him. He himself is less kind that you, saying :"I made a mistake, for which I am sorry".

Nota bene : the mistake is not the Irak war, just the salary increase. "You have any right to be kind with him. "

Im sorry, I dont understand that sentence. Je ne comprends pas ce phrase.


I said "IIUC" I did not know the board was not involved in the pay increase.

He certainly did make a mistake then, and Im glad he apologized. It would certainly be a shame if the bank stopped trying to improve its lending standards because of this.
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Old 04-13-2007, 07:52 PM   #6
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That is indeed ironic. To be fair, though, there's a difference of magnitude between the corruption that keeps millions in poverty, and the type that gets one's girlfriend a few extra bucks.
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Old 04-13-2007, 08:03 PM   #7
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Originally posted by mactbone
See, it's ironic because he's trying to eliminate corruption from borrowing countries, while at the same time he's corrupt. Maybe whats ironic is that folks who abhor the rush to judgement about Khalid Sheik Muhammed, have made up their minds about this already.
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Old 04-13-2007, 08:16 PM   #8
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Originally posted by mactbone
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20070413...d_070413071612


I'm piling on you because you immediately defended him when Cort Haus and I took two minutes to find his apology and other statements that make your first post a pack of lies. Considering I put "IIUC" I dont see how my post is "a pack of lies" That WAS my understanding. I posted it cause thats what Id seen on a blog, and I didnt know the WaPo had an article with new info. There was nothing in Davouts post to indicatet there was new info, no link, etc.

But I guess you can rush to judgement on me as well.
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Old 04-13-2007, 08:22 PM   #9
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Can you read that?

Explain how this is good:
"The details, including abnormally high pay hikes and more than one promotion, came on Wolfowitz's personal orders, the investigation found."

Also, explain how other countries' corruption is relevant (except for the purposes of finding irony).
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Old 04-13-2007, 08:35 PM   #10
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Actually, I'm reading your statement closer and your point is: "Wolfowitz may have done it once, but hey, these other guys are way worse."

First, why does it matter what other people do and second, I thought that every time you do something wrong you got punished for it. Apparently, Wolfowitz has to be as bad as a third world dictator for this to matter. If that's the case, then does it mean that one murder is fine because, "thank god you're not a serial killer!"
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Old 04-13-2007, 08:37 PM   #11
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Originally posted by Kuciwalker


You forgot the bit about how this demonstrates that all neocons are corrupt. Just like Wolfie, they all have muslim girlfriends, which is why they are conducting a genocidal war against muslims, or something like that.
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Old 04-13-2007, 08:41 PM   #12
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It's not corruption; more like an insurance policy for continued future BJs.
Hard to blame a guy for that...
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Old 04-13-2007, 08:53 PM   #13
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what some folks seem to be forgetting is that he was dating her BEFORE he went to the World Bank. When he got there, she was detailed to a position at the US dept of State, PRECISELY to avoid a conflict of interest. IE she was doing something harmful to her career, in order to keep things above suspicion.

He probably felt guilty that her career was being hurt because of his move to the World Bank. So when the Ethics comm said go ahead and compensate her for the move, he naturally gave her a larger than normal raise.

I dont see anywhere in the story that Wolfie was untroubled, or that abuse of power came naturally. He happened to end up in a difficult position.

But I do understand that some folks who find the policies he and folks like Tony Blair have been pursuing to be overwheeningly moralistic, are ready to jump on this.
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Old 05-08-2007, 06:45 PM   #14
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Originally posted by Cort Haus
There's nothing wrong with trying to reduce corruption in third world countries That's awful neutral of you. "Nothing wrong" with it?
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Old 05-08-2007, 07:56 PM   #15
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Originally posted by DAVOUT

Under these obligations there is no difference between nepotism and corruption. And this can even be aggravated in bribery if the beneficiary of the salary increase was desiring to break the “sentimental links”.

Nevertheless, I do not exclude that in an updated neo-cons agenda appears the item : Nepotism does not qualify actions made by a US citizen for the benefice of another US citizen. She is actually from Libya but yes there is a huge problem with corruption among Bush's thugs.
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