[QqJamxqP]

Bellevue is a DC institution.

I'm trying to remember the place they stuck Kassidy...

[GitaraMoya]

Maybe I'm thinking Bellereve. Or whatever it is in Smallville

[h0ldem]

I just picked up Frontline 2 & 3, and ASM 533. Amazing stuff. I love it.

Maybe I've just not read comics in a while so I've missed a trend, but this story really seems to be taking comics to a higher place. I mean hell, they are quoting Plutarch and some WW1 era poet. This isn't good vs. bad, this is an ambigious conflict between two shades of gray with good arguments all around. It is beautifully written and conceived I just love it.

And the paralells to real life... damn, spot on. They are using the term "unregistered combatants" now. And Speedball was totally in Guantanimo. This is very, very well done.

[#[SoftAzerZx]]

Can you give me spoilers?

[iOqedeyH]

Geek thread...

[Goksiodiffeli]

I dont read comics like I used to, but my friend who was huge into Marvel and Spiderman got completely turned off Marvel by Civil War. He reads DC exclusively now.

[VQdeochratis]

He was more upset with the Thor character, if I recall. I didnt even know Thor was a comic book character.

[Injurnerona]

Yeah, Marvel has both Greek and Norse gods around for story arcs if they need them.

[XVzrlWIv]

The side that didn't put his family in danger and ship American citizens off to prison without trial.

[Adollobdeb]

Show a canon instance of even a single trial happening. I also kinda think Osborn being put in charge of enforcing the Act gives rise to all kinds of questions of how just it is.

[Nurfzerne]

Originally posted by Lonestar
I can show you when Speedball was taken to trial?(shot on the way...whoops) Speedball wasn't taken to trial. He was on his way to testify before Congress. He was shot on the way there. Somehow I'm not sure if that qualifies as a trial.
Osborn runs the Thunderbolts, and I fail to see how he is a "worse" person than Baron Zemo was. Not exactly earth-shattering **** there. Who pisses off Peter more? Osborn or Zemo?

[antonyandruleit]

Originally posted by Lonestar
I would throw in that there are several legal references to "cutting deals" throughout the series, obviously there is an expectation of a trial at some point. As I said no trial. The deal seems to be essentially do as we say and we'll let you out of the Negative Zone. I've seen not even a passing mention of a trial even in Frontline. It's also curious that this "deal" absolves long litanies of crimes of villains as well (Morbius, Osborn, etc.) so I don't think this deal refers to any preparations for a trial.

Re point 2: You still haven't said how he puts the best face on the act.

[horaAppagob]

612 people? THATS IT?!?! omg, more people died from a hurricane. Should we create a hurricane registration act? Weather: CIVIL WAR!

I find the plot idiotic.

other qualms with comics

nitro kills captain marvel with CANCER!?!?! WTF! Will Ironman and Spiderman die of AIDS yet? ****ING HOMOS!

MUTANT GROWTH HORMONE!?!?! WHAT WILL MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL DO? I MEAN MARVEL!

How on god's green earth is the punisher involved with the superhero's realm. The dude is a creep with a van and would presumably rape to get answers. how would he even have children. hes a wall of uncaring death.

more importantly this shows you just how many stupid, idiotic, ill conceived characters marvel has.

great lakes champions. Ive had abooot enough of this!
HOWARD THE DUCK MAKES AN APPEARANCE! WHY!

[Alice_Medichi34]

americans are such wusses

[RjkVwPcV]

Originally posted by Lonestar
Har har. But there are implications(In Frontline and She-hulk at least) that there is at least an expectation of trials. I'm still waiting for even a small hint of an upcoming trial. I've read most of Frontline so far and seen nothing to support your point.
"Wah! Wah! How dare the mean ole government demand that a buncha costumed loonies obey the law! When the law is unjust and born of a kneejerk reaction, why should they obey it?
No more than it did with the "Old" Thunderbolts, I suppose. The old T'bolts at least expressed the desire for redemption (minus the Moonstone exception of course ). Where's the desire to change in Bullseye, the new Venom, and Norman Osborn? We've already seen how easily the nanite control can be bypassed, so where is the sanity in making deals with such people?
Osborn isn't the face of the Act, Iron Man is. Again, how much trust should a superhero have in the motives of people who make deals with his enemies to enforce the law? Look at the carnage Venom caused when the T'bolts came to recruit him. This reminds me of Operation: Zero Tolerance.
Spider-man, of course, is a massive douche for switching sides in a public manner. Flip-flopper!

[arerrurrY]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
I'm still waiting for even a small hint of an upcoming trial. I've read most of Frontline so far and seen nothing to support your point. alright, can you prove that the whole plan is to hold them without trial?

When the law is unjust How is it unjust?


and born of a kneejerk reaction, Read "The road to Civil War" if you think it came out of nowhere

why should they obey it? Because it's the law. God forbid the guys who try to fight lawbreakers obey the law themselves.

The old T'bolts at least expressed the desire for redemption (minus the Moonstone exception of course ). Where's the desire to change in Bullseye, the new Venom, and Norman Osborn? We've already seen how easily the nanite control can be bypassed, so where is the sanity in making deals with such people? I'll guess we'll have to see what happens in the new T-Bolts series, huh?



Again, how much trust should a superhero have in the motives of people who make deals with his enemies to enforce the law? I'm looking at the law itself, which is just.


Look at the carnage Venom caused when the T'bolts came to recruit him. This reminds me of Operation: Zero Tolerance. slaughtering muties by the thousands, are we?

Flip-flopper! loner with messiah-complex.