[juptVatoSoito]

I thought this was another Apple thread.

[Bobdilan]

I'm consulting about information systems. The current stuff they have is way too complex, it is consisted of many customized systems, and I basically tell them how their stuff works now, some of the core operations, and how to make it better. It is a public sector entity, so it's not like they'll pay me 100 euros per hour. Also, I'm a student and one of the points is to get it done cheaper because of that so .. otherwise I'd ask for something like 60 euros per hour plus some kind of one time fee for it all as extra.

Also, they won't actually build new system around my words. It's a huge entity, and every person in this country are in their systems, so... and if they did, I'd ask for a LOT of money. But since my job is only to explain them how their system now works (it's not trivial, that's why they don't know, it is too complex, I agree), and what it means in terms of storing data etc. Then I explain how they can simplify it, make it better and more reliable. I reckon 20 to 30 hours. 15 to 20 hours of finding out how it actually does work adn the complexity of it, 1 to 5 hours of figuring out better ways, and few hours of actual speaking to the audience.

[Tumarimmicdak]

Well, the place is next to me (how convinient ), plus, it's not a.. 9 to 5 job. My current job isn't like that either, so I can do these two things well, plus still have lots of free time. Things rule.

[Cersdog]

I figure this is the right way as well. The point is, that.. this is kind of like my first 'good thing' as far as hourly pay goes, and where I get to be the expert and others will BOW TO ME! MUHAHAHA!!

Yes, the point was, that there's lots more where this came from. I know why I was recommended to this thing. That's because I'm in good graces of my professor. And since the Uni is in turmoil, I've been sitting tight, and it pays off now, as in my loyalty means, that all jobs and opportunities that goes to my professor gets forwarded to me first and I get the first picks. I've denied few offers in the past, but this one I'll take. So these babies keep on coming. So I want to do this, and then I get more offers later. And this doesn't take a lot of effort from my part, I kind of know the systems they have, so it's more like blaablaablaa and so on, I can do it.

I want to get the maximum amount of money I can. I made it known to my professor that I feel I should get more money, like just in general (yeah I know, don't mention), and I think the current salary is a joke, which it is, so I'm getting all these extra gigs that can pay well, so my actual income can become quite nice .

Let's not forget, that I'm basically still doing my studies, so I'm getting PAID to do my studies, the difference now is, I'm starting to be paid well.

But I'll still switch to this one position if I'll get it. My professor knows I want to go to the private sector, so they're just upping the ante. So I'm shopping.

I want this job, it's mine already. I figure, maybe I'll ask for.. 40 euros per hour? I can't score 50 euros, that's something I know already, maybe 40 is OK?

[pprropeciaaa]

Yeah, them people get paid pretty well.. even in here.

[N1bNXuDb]

Originally posted by Cort Haus
I thought this was another Apple thread. QFT

[GitaraMoya]

Practically everything, we do SAP, Siebel, Oracle, SAS, Aprimo, KXEN, Epiphany, Unica... as well as basic business consulting in fields as strategy, marketing, supply chain mgmt. Our client portfolio holds pretty much every major company in the world in all industries, financial, media, communications, chemicals, government, hospitality, the lot.

I've done projects for an insurance firm, a publisher, a petrochemicals company, and I'm now at a utility.

[FalHaitle]

Well I'm going to ensure that I finish this project from beginning to end - I don't like changing without completing what I am doing, so I will definitely be looking at shifting jobs then!

[Sertvfdnhgjk]

PH, that's a sign, you should definitely do it you'll be kicking yourself over if you don't do it, and you know it!

Zoppepappa, So you should meet with PH.. He would be an asset, we know he's smart, he wants to do this thing, so what's not to love about it? You can act as the headhunter here and score. All I see is a win win here.

[Mappaindy]

Well, here's one opportunity. So what's the company Zoppe? PH needs to investigate :hell:

[clitlyphype]

So let's make a deal here that you guys will meet, either in London or the Netherlands.

[NodePark]

Ok so great, then there's a bigger possibility good things will come out

[Patgaepx]

So now everything is mad. I was offered the opportunity, should I continue with doctorage studies, that I could be posted in China, doing research. Damn. But I was doing little rounds and it might be possible that I'd be able to go there for private company as well.

SO, recommendations, we got smart experienced people, I need your input. My dream? My dream is to graduate soon, which I'll be doing, but I want to go to China for a year or two. A year most likely though, two years or more is a big commitment, year will do fine. So, I'd love to do that, because I have studied the region in my minor (Asian studies), and I'll have some language studies at that point as well, so hopefully I can order a hooker in Chinese

So, needless to say, the private sectyor would pay better salary from that time. However, should I do doctorage thingie, I'd be still able to support myself during that time, and I'd be getting my PhD. I'm projecting 3 years max, absolute MAX. So.. but that's just another stepping stone. I want to be posted in China because I'm interested in the region, the culture, history and business. I'd like that post, but I'd like the experience more. I do feel, that China experience will come a stock, a rising stock in the future, if you have worked there for a while and handled it well, speak the language a little.

So after that, I'm hoping I'd have my PhD, my book about it, and then I want to make the jump to North America. US or Canada. At this point I'm hoping to do only really good stuff, from really high level consulting to possible partnership in interesting endeavors.

So, should I get my China experience from Uni, or private sector? Private sector offers bigger salary, Uni offers the same experience, but isntead of money, PhD. Which one is better for the long run, pros and cons, your thoughts? They're both pretty damn good options. But looks like I get to choose.

[Dxwlxqvg]

rah, yes, exactly what I want to know, the long shot opportunities, economically.

I'd get good money fast with private company, but.. degree, plus the same experience.. I think my value would might be more if I choose University. You guys know this better, since I'm making the jump to NA after that. So, what matters is, what my value is in there after that.

Also, I'd have good opportunities to score extra in China, I could do consulting for Finnish SMEs there, and they pay _excellent_ money for that. So... but you see, if I was to stay here, I might go for private sector, because the doctorage thing won't give me an edge, unless I want to stay with the Uni forever and be a professor or some crap like that. But I figure, that in the NA, this might actually be better for my value in the long term.

[katetomson]

OK.. thanks for the input. It's not a trivial matter, for example in here, you might be better off going with the private sector, as you'll be paid the same no matter what (too little).

[Vomazoono]

100K?! That's senior executive level (top of the pyramid, basically) at the firm, and requires 15+ years of relevant consulting experience.