[KRbGA0Bg]

Golo is a closet chopo?!

Interesting like Hitler with that something-Gruber last name. A closet jew. Golo, love and embrace your true heritage. Choponess.

[sobre]

Hmm, I remember watching "La Rubia Del Sida" a few years back. Too bad it was not a better production with better acting, as it kinda reflected Dominican society well.

[Nundduedola]

Golo only states his opinions! He has not attacked you for expressing yours!Why do you attack him.
When I came to the DR many years ago,I was the ultimate ¨Chopo Wannabe¨.As you see most tourists and foreigners who only hang with the ¨Chopo Dominicanos¨acting,and thinking that they are cool! Chopos treat each other like ****.They will steal from their Mother to buy baggy jeans and cervesa!They will not work if you offer them a job!They don´t care about their neighbors,and play music,drink,anf make noise all night long! They serve no useful purpose,other than providing a never ending stream of cheap labors who work only to have a place to steal,and lots of 300 peso teenage prostitutes!)Thats ENOUGH for me!!!!!
Cris Colon

[immelawealecy]

My "hunch" was right!
I won the bet !, right golo100?.

Domican-chopos comedians Inc. (Could PR get an Oscar as best foreign film? )

[JonnLeejsp]

Tordok: I agree with many things you say. I too, try to help as much as I can. The reality however is bleak. The problem now is that the attitude of a president and even some in the higher class is to imitate chopos. The new trend in some high society circles is to be noisy, act uneducated, be as corrupt as possible, save your ass and all that. The "nation" project has been lost.

Its the little things that add up to this current situation. Something as trivial as hanging clothes to dry in your balcony or windows is now reaching upper class neighborhoods. The result is a mentality that we can all live with eyesores. So why not throw garbage anywhere?

With people's need to keep up with their material things, many convert their own backyards and front lawns into colmadones, ruining entire residential communities. They risk reducing their property value to drive a jeepeta. Colmadones would not exist without upper class and upper middle class property owners handing out leases to colmadon entrepeneurs.

Chopoism is not just being born as one, or having kinky hair. It is an attitude. You can easily convert to chopo from a good family tradition. It has become a way of life in DR. Too bad. The whole country is going down the tubes.

While cities like New York, Chicago and Miami are using gentrification to preserve neighborhoods, and historic places(like Gazcue), we are ruining our cities. It wasn't long ago that areas like Cabrini Green, Hoboken and the lower East side in Manhattan suffered from ghettoism. But as time goes by, these neighborhoods are changing for the better because more quality people encroach deacying neighborhoods as an opportunity for investment and social progress.

TW

[viagra_generic]

I guess it is nothing like the "other" dominican related movie Washington Heights, that one was actually good, although not a comedy

[KRbGA0Bg]

I wonder If Golo likes Balbuena.

I do. Mercer you hit right on. Golo doesn't like anything dominican. He's a snob who should have stayed in the frigid North.

I like chopo-ness just not around me but I do laugh at it from afar and on TV.

[forextradinginfo]

Can anybody define or perhaps describe what is Dominican Humor by Chopos?

I wonder what is the difference between humor by a chopo and the rest? Are there more Dominican Humor types???

[id2008]

for the person who wrote that im trying to flame golo ,im not
its just that we have different views on life and i wish to share them with him

[girlsround]

Suarzen's post is one of the very few I've read in this thread so far that is balanced and fact-based. Others range from anecdotal musings on social frustrations to direct personal character attacks.

[fotodemujerahldesnugdo]

I'll go and see it as long as someone can guarantee it is nothing like the so-called humour as showcased on Dominican TV programmes.

Chiri

[radicalvolume]

I love Balbuena...yo turista....sometimes you have to understand the culture first and life...and not the "tursist life" or not the easy way life....

[spamkillerj]

I am out of the loop on this one...I've never seen or heard of Perico Ripiao. But I will say this,

Golo: I couldn't agree with you more.

Disliking certain aspects of Dominican society does not make one anti-Dominican. That's complete nonsense. Perico Ripiao was most likely made in order to appeal to a certain class of people. There's obviously a market for it, and that's that's perfectly fine. I'm proud to be Dominican but I would not pay money to see it.

As a side note: It's good to know that I am not the only Dominican that lived in Chicago's Gold Coast.

-Leo

[ClorrerVeks]

Thanks for your valuable input, Arturo. Feel free to make a contribution to a topic any time.

[fotodemujerahldesnugdo]

I think Golo has confirmed my suspicions. I won't be going.

Chiri

[ClorrerVeks]

Criss,

You defend the position of a blatant classist. I like Golo's posts. But not when he returns to all of that "chopo" crap. The blue bloods in the DR are no different than the blue bloods anywhere else. Without their illusion of class superiority, they have nothing. In a true liberal democracy, they lose out because they are spoiled and uncompetitive. That's why Dominican Yorks who came from nothing make it in multinational business, while the blue bloods collect rents and speculate on pesos. That's why Golo loved Trujillo.

Listen to Mereco! Under your and Golo's definition of "chopo", 95% of the country fits the bill. So when you insult people who play dominos or listen to bachata music, you insult almost everyone.

Criss, you're not a "chopo" (unless using 300 peso/night teenage prostitutes were the only defining factor). You're not a "Dominican York". And you couldn't be a "sangre azul" if you wanted to be. So what does that make you: a gringo who sometimnes seems to support stereotyping and classism in order to get blunt messages across. So don't be suprised by the reactions.

[id2008]

[BopeDolaNeone]

Golo,
I think I can understand your frustration. What we call chopos my grandmother called "la plebe". But I guess we can't blame her and her contemporaries for that. Things were indeed quite different back in the days when the DR was even more tribal than now. Your comments re. traditions etc., virtually letting people to know 'their place', are not news to me. I'm afraid that I'm a recovering elitist myself. But keep in mind that "social traditions" until relatively quite recently included slavery. I think most of us would agree that that's one tradition not worth keeping. Chopos belong in the DR just like you and me do. Like them or not. On the other hand, elites in themselves are not a sin. Every society has, or has had one. And they can sometimes be productive and humane. But an elite that scorns and ridicules those not up to their preferences ultimately proves to be unwise. Historically, anywhere in the world you look, when the elites fail to constructively engage the masses they end up paying the price for that kind of attitude. Marie- Antoinette probably regretted her divine right to be supefluous seconds before guillotine sliced her neck. We are a different generation from our grandparents' and ought to deal with things a bit more open-mindedly. Your frustration over the cultural shortcomings of many of our compatriots should not overwhelm your circuits to the level that it seems to do so. What are we talking about here? Mostly lack of manners and an awful taste in clothing and music, not major crimes against humanity such as cannibalism or the sexual perversions of people like Trujillo. You come across as very angry and it must be precisely because you seem to think that there is no remedy for the chopo problem. You're clearly a very intelligent person and the best informed guy in this DR1 town with regards to all the political gossip in the DR. Your evaluation of Suberví, for example, is right on the mark as he is a dangerous troglodyte, possibly worse than Hippo. But I would hope that your asessment of him is based on your political opinion and not just because the guy is or isn't a chopo. Chopos are so many that you either learn to have them around (at the distance of your preference) or you make efforts to help them change. We can't be so pessimistic as to give up and let them condemn the whole country to eternal misery. Go on and give it a try. I also used to worry re. chopos completely ruining the country. But if those of us who are not chopos don't do something to help, then who is to blame? In summary, I respecfully disagree with your assertion that chopería can't be modified. People are not born wanting to be a chopo. They are taught how to be a chopo. They likewise could be taught how not to be.
Peace.
-Tordok
new slogan: Help the Chopos be less Chopos. NOW!

[KRbGA0Bg]

I'm not going to get into name-calling or kindergarten tactics. The truth is choponess will continue to increase while blue bloods will emigrate permanently to Europe and the US. Add to this the permanent Haitian influx and the DR will be unrecognizable in the years to come. Unchecked it will become an increasing probability for total chopodom. Loud, boisterous and arrogant chopos will rule the DR whereas you won't be able to differentiate between a dominican and a haitian.

Dominicans in general will give up on embracing Spanish values and ways. Eventually like Haiti they will immerse themselves in a defunct movement of the past. It'll be like the Pan-African ways of Garvey which swept the Eastern DR not too long ago.

It's not a bad thing. I'll like to see what Golo and others will do. That will be truly enjoyable.

[Idonnaink]

Originally posted by Golo100
DR has two different nations within. One is the chopo world. The other one is the Dominican elite. Both exist under the same sky, but in different realities. Both realities are in-excapable. Just to give you an example...In my visit to the Acropolis this Sunday I saw something very unusual- incredible long lines for a movie. It was the line for Perico Ripiao. The Acropolis movie house has two sections destined for this movie because of the high demand for seats. The Acropolis is not known for many chopos visiting the mall, since the place is not yet ready for chopos and the shops are quite expensive and stuffy for chopos' tastes.

Yet almost 98% of the people in line to see Perico Ripiao were chopos(mostly dark skin, pelo malos, and imitation jevitos from the oriental zone). I could not identify any upper class people in the lines, and I know most of them by sight. I know the schools they go to, the clothes they wear, etc. There were a few people who looked like upper class. But they must be people from the oriental zone who look like it, but are not. The Dominican elite is not buying Perico Ripiao tickets. They would be ashamed to be seen in that line, and would not under any circumstances share the experience with the rift raft.

Not that we are against anything Dominican. We just have class. We are different. We behave differently. We are still Dominicans. Certain things Dominican just don't make it. I love our beaches, our food, our family traditions. We have our own neighborhoods. I love "my" weather", our freestyle of doing things. Just because I think merengue stinks, bachata is for second class and chopos belong somewhere else does not make me anti-Dominican.

I do not agree with apartheid. Or the recent refusal by Club Praia to allow Vickiana's daughter into this exclusive high class, all white club. She is beautiful enough with her tanned dark skin. But I prefer exclusive clubs without chopos, and to avoid the suckers, I just go to very expensive joints with demanding attire rules. Chopos cannot handle many rules. They rather stay in their colmadones. I agree with them.

By the way, Nueva Yol is just as bad. Balbuena is the ultimate Dominican-York chopo, a species I rather avoid. I never lived in a Dominican community while in the USA. My enclaves were Chatham, N.J., the Gold Coast in Chicago and 38th. St. in the lower East Side, NY. No chopos there. I never went to a chopo school and the schools I attended in DR did not allow chopos. Sorry this is DR. True!!!

TW

Contrale Golo i understand your point but how can you critisize the content of a movie if you did not watch it, don't get me wrong i'm not trying to create problems i don't relate to Chopos can't understand them nor like that TIGUERAJE crap and you'll never see me in a barrio.



SHOOOP! NOW I UNDERSTAND THE TERM CHOPO! SORRY IF ANYONE GOT OFFENDED BY MY IGNORANCE OF THE SUBJECT.