[propolo]

Now I want to go see it, so I could decide if it was worth not going to see.

[JonnLeejsp]

DR has two different nations within. One is the chopo world. The other one is the Dominican elite. Both exist under the same sky, but in different realities. Both realities are in-excapable. Just to give you an example...In my visit to the Acropolis this Sunday I saw something very unusual- incredible long lines for a movie. It was the line for Perico Ripiao. The Acropolis movie house has two sections destined for this movie because of the high demand for seats. The Acropolis is not known for many chopos visiting the mall, since the place is not yet ready for chopos and the shops are quite expensive and stuffy for chopos' tastes.

Yet almost 98% of the people in line to see Perico Ripiao were chopos(mostly dark skin, pelo malos, and imitation jevitos from the oriental zone). I could not identify any upper class people in the lines, and I know most of them by sight. I know the schools they go to, the clothes they wear, etc. There were a few people who looked like upper class. But they must be people from the oriental zone who look like it, but are not. The Dominican elite is not buying Perico Ripiao tickets. They would be ashamed to be seen in that line, and would not under any circumstances share the experience with the rift raft.

Not that we are against anything Dominican. We just have class. We are different. We behave differently. We are still Dominicans. Certain things Dominican just don't make it. I love our beaches, our food, our family traditions. We have our own neighborhoods. I love "my" weather", our freestyle of doing things. Just because I think merengue stinks, bachata is for second class and chopos belong somewhere else does not make me anti-Dominican.

I do not agree with apartheid. Or the recent refusal by Club Praia to allow Vickiana's daughter into this exclusive high class, all white club. She is beautiful enough with her tanned dark skin. But I prefer exclusive clubs without chopos, and to avoid the suckers, I just go to very expensive joints with demanding attire rules. Chopos cannot handle many rules. They rather stay in their colmadones. I agree with them.

By the way, Nueva Yol is just as bad. Balbuena is the ultimate Dominican-York chopo, a species I rather avoid. I never lived in a Dominican community while in the USA. My enclaves were Chatham, N.J., the Gold Coast in Chicago and 38th. St. in the lower East Side, NY. No chopos there. I never went to a chopo school and the schools I attended in DR did not allow chopos. Sorry this is DR. True!!!

TW

[id2008]

has anyone seen it? is it funny?
does anyone know where i can purchase it if it comes out on dvd or whatever?

[id2008]

well if it was made for "chopos " then golo and his momma should be the 1st in line!!!!!

im tired of golos comment that everything Dominican is below his standards , ive got a couple of questions
why the hell do you associate with dominicans ?
have you seen the programs and some movies done in europe and the usa ...some of them sucj ,whats worst with millions dumped into them !
if you cant understand the comedy and jokes of dominicans maybe its time you start to hang out with gringos or whatever you are.
I remeber a while back talking about merengueros and you saying the puertorican merengueros are better ....lol
thats like saying white people can dance !!!

i support dominicans ,in every which way i can, angel muniz and the rest of the cast are tryin to put US DOMINICANS on the map ,it may not be to your taste or not directed for you ,but you dont have to call naming ....theres a saying that you should look into golo
A man only swears (or call names )because he does not have the correct words to say !

[Brainpole]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Golo100
[B]The new trend in some high society circles is to be noisy, act uneducated, be as corrupt as possible, save your ass and all that. The "nation" project has been lost.

Golo, while it's true that we grew up programmed to behave a certain way or ELSE, I have noticed a certain relaxed attitude in the elite/upper middle class youg people of the DR. But is their behaviour to be compared with choponess? Could it be that the younger generation is just a bit more relaxed than we were when we're growing up? Times are changing, I've seen and heard things from the so called elite of the DR to make me want to scream.

[JonnLeejsp]

This movie,I guarantee you is made for Dominicans, and specially chopos. If you have a hard time understanding Dominican humor, which I do, I recommend you do not see this travesty called a film.

Just think, everyone of the actors are the same old crappy "humorists" you see on Dominican TV, whose jokes are as bad Hippo's. Those who have watched "Perdone La Hora" or "Titirimundati" will see a rerun of the serial(deadly)jokes you see on Dominican TV day in and day out. These amateur "actors" are just the cheapest thing the producers could find to meet a $500,000 budget.

But lo and behold, Dominicans, mostly chopos, are rushing to see this crap. My girlfriend has been pushing me to take her. I told her I would pay for a "private escort", plus expenses for her and the escort. But I would only be caught dead watching that movie, or the other "Exito Por Intercambio", a true life experience put on film of "megadivas in action".

TW

[immelawealecy]

but you should have a good understanding of dominican street and countryside expressions in order to really get it....and some knowledge of dominican customs and traditions.
I bet a lot of DR1ers wouldn't like the movie...it's just a hunch

[ApporpSothe]

Originally posted by ERICKXSON
Contrale Golo i understand your point but how can you critisize the content of a movie if you did not watch it, . Thats easy. There are many movies that I know I will not like without having to see them.

Bowling for Columbine, Anything with Barbara Striesand, Joy Luck club, Anything with Salma Hayek(Unless she is nude from a few years ago). The list goes on and on!

[JonnLeejsp]

Look, there is nothing you can do for chopos. They lost the game many years ago when they began to downgrade their race and education by creating a culture all of their own. Chopos, like Criss defines them, are mostly people with little aspirations, except to party, drink, play dominoes, play politics and live like ghettoers. Notice that chopo neighborhoods are always dirty, not because garbage is not picked up, but because they continue to pour garbage all day long without regards for their neighborhoods.

Our political parties have survived thanks to chopos, who serve as slaves for political rallies, carrying banners, dancing in the streets, and then begging for a government job so they dont have to worry about competing in the real world. These people will be destroyed by globalization, the free trade treaties and the new economy. They are not prepared to deal with this. Their idea of becoming rich is playing the lottery, having their kids try for baseball and sports, or becoming politicians.

Sure there are rich chopos. Arent DominicanYork drug dealers rich too' But does that give them a ticket to be accepted? have you ever seen a chopo in the social pages of Dominican social magazines? In a country club? At a reception by the Amercian Chamber of Commerce?

Since education in DR has gone back 50 years, it will take perhaps 100 years before we get to a level of education enough to reduce the chopo culture. it has gotten worse. it permeates government. It has been exacerbated by the PRD government and the biggest chopo of them all Hipolito Mejia, who will be totally defeated in Sundays convention by a margin of 60-40%.

Unfortunately, the candidate that will win the PRD slot is even worse than Hippo. Fello Suverbi is the #1 chopo political chief in DR. This guy is an ego trip who will increase the chopo government even more. He has a nervous problem and suffers from speech impediment. His followers are the biggest chopos this country can gather. Just hope Leonel, another chopo, but one who has evolved into an intellectual who understands global politics, wins this time. He is the best of a real bad field. there is little hope to recover what I believed would have been an increasing European-spanish influence in our country. We have evolved the wrong way.

All countries have chopos. Some more than others. Hillbillies are the ultimate chopos in the USA. They like country western music. Top 40 music survives on American chopoism, blacks and hispanics. Ever seen a Dominican bride do the first dance with her dad? its a merengue!!!! Can you believe? My culture was a waltz.

You do not create a culture by destroying traditions and creating "chercha". Chopos have even destroyed real merengue by making it vulgar. Merengue is out and out as a commercial venture outside of DR. Bachata will end up the same way.

TW

[NofFoomiTot]

People: Don't sucumb to Golo's controversy creating posts. I too enjoy a lot of his posts, but this chopo topic has been beaten to death here. The fact is that whether you like it or not the DR is at least 95% "chopo". That's who we are, and whoever doesn't like it...well don't let the door hit you in the ass on your way out.
Have you seen chopos on the social pages? Plenty of them all the time. For instance the Listin social pages just had a big spread on Sammy Sosa's birthday. Is Sammy elite? Maybe now they will claim that he is, because he's loaded with money.
Finally, it appears that you can easily go from being a chopo family to being blue blood. If you don't believe me just look at Golo's family...His dad was a guardia during Trujillo. We all know that no true blue blood, or rich, or elite family is going to let their kids join the dominican army. Also we all know how the military has always made their money in the DR. That's all I'm going to say about that.
This is just another example of self-deprecation or self-hate. Not unlike Trujillo who hated black people, while his grandmother was a full haitian. It happens a lot.

[id2008]

Why would a Dominica want to dance a waltz ????
when our tradition is merengue !
Let me ask you this,should i leave the manugu,mofongo ,snacocho and stick with only caviar so i can look like a intellect
Again your analogy on life is so absurd and twisted !!!!!
you will never comprehend why some people cant follow rules and regulations ,all human beings need to be TAUGHT not ridiculed or chastised .Your opinions are not shared by all Dominicans (if you have not noticed by this post)maybe its time to get some q-tips and listen to various opinions .
Im truly sorry thatnone of are merengueros,politicans,comedians or PEOPLE fit the mold which you desire ,I have a idea maybe its time to blast the entire isalnd and fill it with golo clones
I bet all Dominicans are pround of there heritage and culture involving merengue ,dominoes ,baseball colmados etc it runs thru are veins if you belive that all cities you listed on your previous post are CHOPO-FREE maybe its time you found a new home !

[KRbGA0Bg]

That's right Leif Ericson. The supposed chopo-ness is an expression of art through a dominican lens. It's quite colorful and breathes life to the DR. What would the DR be without it? A dull boring drab of half completed shoebox construction sites. Maybe something out of Rumania.

[Idonnaink]

have you ever seen a chopo in the social pages of Dominican social magazines? In a country club? At a reception by the Amercian Chamber of Commerce?


Have you been a Grammy winner, a Doctor that made it without a penny to himself working hard and studying hard. Golo and all of those supporting his stupidity are full of BULL S..T........................

95% OF DOMINICANS Do not fit your stupid the bill DOMINICANS ARE AS HARDWORKING AS ANYBODY ELSE IN THIS WORLD, YOU CHRISS you are nothing but a man that can't get a woman by your own means you need to pay in order to feel loved, specially those little girls that can be your grandoughters...........................

oh yeah i know they want the money and i know you feel proud when having sex with an under age (i mean buying sex) why don't you do it in your backyard.

SANGRE AZUL GOLO! you are nothing and like i said before you will die alone in your matchbox castle.

[id2008]

Chopo this ,chopo that !!!
Who are you to decide what is chopo ,you stated "bad hair ,bad clothes"in other words if your parents are dark and poor one cannot strive to better oneself for the fact of the "pelo malo"
Your analogy is a bunch or crap !
Luisito marti (balbuena) is a great comedian .Is his humor for every single Dominican ? no
but you cannot deny that he personifies the street Dominican(tiguerue)and does a excellent job at it .Your statement that hes a chopo would categorize Roberto Salcedo,Pololo,Boruga,and Cuquin Victoria among others as chopos !
I have a different view ,my eyes see excellent entertainers that have made us fortunate Dominicans see the hardships and suffering of the street Dominican.
One cannot deny that they are "different nations"or however you want to call racial and cultural differences in EVERY NATION OF THE WORLD,I my freind dont live by that creed pelo malo,negros,religion and politics dont affect my judgement towards a human being ,i rather derive on ones conduct and actions to derive to such strenous judgement.A honest chopo is far better than a inept "jevito "or whatever name suits your species .
Merengue (not boricua-merengue),bachata,sancocho,beisbol ,brugal are the real elements that make Santo Domingo the great country it is sorta like baseball apple pie and hot dogs are for the USA.

My final statement is that IF i find myself in your cultural group of stuck up noses ,i renounce it at once and PROUDLY join the chopos

[ClorrerVeks]

Please indulge our friend Golo. With thousands of dark skinned New York Dominican "chopos" earning more money than he could ever dream of, without his "pelo bueno" and "sangre azul" he would have nothing.

Ademas, while "chopo" culture - merengue, bachata, dominos, sancocho, Brugal, pelota - has become renowned around the world as the true flavor of a powerful culture, the "sangres azules" have nothing to offer except greed and stodginess. They are Argentine wantabees (and govern like them too).

Please sympathize with Golo's predicament. He couldn't be a chopo if he wanted to.

[RaicickKida]

....while your at it, why don't you throw in "or, thats like saying black people can swim"....at least give us some balance in your Dominican Republic related analogies.

[BopeDolaNeone]

What people on this board refer to as chopos, are people too. Depending on the criteria, and that has been detailed elsewhere,
the large majority of the DR belongs to that group, and apparently the majority of DR Boarders are not. Shouldn't those of us who are not chopos (please accept the premise that I have never been identified as one), intead of hammering away at them, focus on how to help them be less chopos? Every nation in the world was once filled with chopos. Isn't it funny that countries with the least amount of social inequalities are also the ones with the highest standards of living today? Norway, for example, with the possible exception of their ceremonial royal house, has virtually no elites, but no native chopos either. Not paradise- for sure it's quite cold and dark- but less complicated and degrading than living in a community of such huge disparities. Instead of focusing on having a divided nation by social class, we should strive to lift the chopo class from their status into the more "civilized" realm of the educated elite. You can't necessarily buy class per se. I hate to agree that you are born into it, but anyone can earn a dignified role in society through proper education. Education and values can put an end to both the elite and the underclass. Sounds socialistic, but it really just is about how to most rationally manage what could otherwise end up in yet another revolution of the masses against the omnipotent elites.
Peace.
-Tordok

[freflellalafe]

How long will it takes before it gets to the states on DVD or black market?

Washington Heights is sold on Amazon, will this movie be sold on Amazon in future?

[Idonnaink]

Is hard to portrait a Society from within a matchbox GOLO calls his Palace, regardless of your cleverness you are DOMINICAN(DOMINICANO) if you are so ashame of you and your people i have a simple way out (just Die), stop calling everything Dominican (chopo) and call it what it actually is a country reflection through ART, i guess your (Sangre Azul) have not seen horizons further than your porch charco everytime it rains.

te lo dejo de tarea.

[ClorrerVeks]

Originally posted by Golo100
[C]hopos ... lost the game many years ago when they began to downgrade their race ...
TW Yea, Criss, I'm shooting the messenger. Do you care to defend the above.