[t78VPkdO]

Hey Techie,

Can you email me a few mp3's of Spanish Rock. I don't know what to listen to and you seem to be the Guru.

Scott@dominicancondorental.com

Thanks,

[CibQueersejer]

Funny that they wrote "Dios salve al viajero" so many years ago and it reflects exactly where they are now. I liked Toque Profundo when I was in the university. I still like some of their songs, every time I board a plane one things comes to mind:

"Me despedí de mi gente y zarpé
hacia otro continente,
con mi bronceado permanente
Creyente. Demente"

[gariharrr]

Toque Profundo is one of the better groups I've heard when it comes to Spanish Rock. Their concerts are good, Tony is a natural performer, although a bit crazy. The best show I saw them do was in Club Arroyo Hondo (Jevito Heaven), he was singing 'El Jevito' and shut someone up in the crowd, threatened to jump off the stage and beat his ass and still finished his set. Good performance by a crazy 6ft 5 Haitian singing in Spanish.............AL Jadaqui is good too, that song 'Vengo de Medio Lao' was one of their popular songs. Since I came back to the US, I haven't heard too much from groups over there. Groups like Aterciopelados, La Ley, Molotov, Cafe Tacuba, and others, are good in concert, I had the good fortune of seeing those groups perform before, the chances of them ever coming to Virginia are slim to none, oh well..............

Tribu del Sol, what ever happened to them???? They should be put on the side of a milk carton Besides they only had two or three songs that got airplay while I was there..........

[retrahdggd]

i really like para amar and esrechez de corazon from los prisioneros.

also soda estereo is a great latin band.

[Fetowip]

Originally posted by diablorojo
Malcolm X referred to those few priveleged members of minorities who cooperate with the oppressors and ride their coat tails rather than serve their people and their cause as the "white man's nigger" Malcom X was a bi-polar, psychotic, idiot in desperate need of both psychiatric help and proper gun training. And just how is exporting black culture and music which is not an invention of white folks, to whites in the U.S. and around the world, riding the coattails of the man? You make no sense what-so-ever.

Why don't you get modern and start quoting Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, and 'Calypso' Louis Farakhan? That big space ship is still up there waiting to take y'all to the promised land away from 'Yanqui Imperialism'! LOL. Perhaps you need to go back and look at the other side of the coin. Try reading something by Booker T. Washington, for example.

Here's a Hint: Try actually responding to the points above and prove that you know what your talking about. Then, and only then, will the little political asides be taken seriously by anyone here with more than half a brain. Otherwise, leave that cr*p at home and stay on message!

Tom (aka XR)

P.S.
Sorry to butt in all. And, my apologies, CC. I will leave the child be now. I was enjoying the music thread, just got fed up with the little misguided political outbursts. Back to moderator-lurking mode now.

[Evelinessa]

Cinema? A few Mexican films made by US trained Directors! Let me remind you about some films from the Mexican/Cuban production not US trained Directors, that have made their way to some international awards, like, como agua para chocolate, azucar amargo, el pecado del padre amaro, etc.
Yankees think they know it all....
How about this article from AFP
Acapara sexo y guerra en cines de Bagdad


Desde mayo, luego de la guerra, las salas de cine ofrecen por medio dólar películas del tipo que estaban prohibidas en el régimen de Hussein

AFP

Bagdad, Iraq (14 septiembre 2003).- Son tan sólo las once de la mañana y en la céntrica calle Al-Saadun de Bagdad decenas de iraquíes aguardan impacientes el inicio de "Depredador sexual", una vieja película pornográfica estadounidense que bate récords de taquilla en la capital iraquí.

Desde el pasado mayo, cuando reabrireron sus puertas tras la guerra, la decena de salas de cine que se reparte por la avenida ofrece programas similares por 1.000 dinares (medio dólar): películas de sexo y guerra, de preferencia "made in USA", es decir todo lo que fue prohibido tajantemente bajo el régimen dictatorial de Saddam Hussein.

Este domingo, decenas de hombres de edades diversas se agolpaban con mirada golosa ante las fotografías de mujeres bañándose desnudas en una playa o de parejas en plena actividad sexual exhibidas ante la puerta del conocido cine Samiramis.

Por falso pudor o por atraer a estos hombres al interior de la sala, las partes íntimas de las mujeres han sido cubiertas con estrellitas negras o mínimas ropas interiores pintadas a mano por los propios empleados.

"La primera sesión comienza a las 10 de la mañana y la última a las tres de la tarde. Antes, éste era un cine de familia con películas aptas para todos los públicos. El negocio tras la guerra funciona bien aunque no podemos hacer sesiones nocturnas debido al toque de queda", explica a la AFP el propietario del cine Samiramis, que dice llamarse Hassam.

En todos los cines de la avenida, la entrada a las mujeres y a los menores de 18 años está prohibida, aunque nadie pide una identificación a los jóvenes a la entrada.

"Nuestras mujeres no pueden ver este tipo de imágenes. No es bueno para ellas", explican rotundos numerosos espectadores mientras se someten a un control para ver si portan armas, que deben obligatoriamente ser guardadas en la recepción.

Los propietarios de los cines, muchos de ellos inaugurados en la década de los 70, reconocen que cambiaron radicalmente el programa tras la caída del régimen. Para ellos, la libertad recién adquirida significó traer sin demasiado criterio del exterior las imágenes que les estuvieron prohibidas durante años.

Según afirman, su cartelera no se compone sólo de sexo, sino también "películas de acción", es decir "Terminator" y otras producciónes del mismo género, como si las guerras reales que el pueblo iraquí ha sufrido no fuesen suficientes.

"Ya no queremos más películas hechas en los países árabes, preferimos largometrajes románticos rodados en Europa o Estados Unidos", explica Alá Hussein, que acude a ver "Bella donna", dirigida por el brasileño Fabio Barreto en el cine Atlas.

Ante las imágenes de exuberantes mujeres desnudas mostradas ante la puerta del cine Al Nayum, también en la misma calle, los hombres restan pasmados.

"Las únicas mujeres que conocemos son las nuestras, que se visten de negro y se cubren el pelo. Por eso creemos que todas las mujeres extranjeras son como las de películas", asegura un joven que no sabe ni siquiera el título del largometraje que se dispone a ver.

[tramadolwithall]

Originally posted by diosamusical
They are similar to Mana and sound like a spanish version Radiohead.
What!!!!!
Not in a gazillion trillion, billion years will they ever come close to Radiohead. And specially being similar to Mana.
If you listen to both cd's there are different musical universes. Both very good!! Please dont get me wrong, but different. In my view, the most interesting things to come out of mexico recently are Molotov and Plastilina Mosh.

I think you'd like Gustavo Ceratti's new CD better. More experimental. There is also a wonderful cd thats just come out called Bajofondo Tango Club. Its a blend of old argentine tango with dub or ambience and haunting female vocals. Really interesting.

If you like Radiohead, please try to listen to Sigur Ross from Iceland. Radiohead is even doing a new album with them.Sweet!

[Fruriourl]

And the DR connection is?????

[Dreaming]

Originally posted by diablorojo
Latin America pop culture is not "stagnant"....it does not lag 10 years behind anyone.....The same currents in art, music, and fashion which are found in Europe are found in Latin America at the same time, some 2 to 5 years before they make it to the states! You can't give the US credit for anything can you?

Pop Music came from American popular folk Music. It Grew into Pop Music with the invention of the Phonograph which brought music to the large audience. Hence the Term Pop(Popular) music.

Rock & Roll is American Music which derives itself from the Blues. The blues came from Old negro Spirituals of the Agrarian Southern US.

Most Popular culture starts in the US. Sure some is transplanted and modified in Europe but it still is mainly created in the US. Europe has been a wasteland for Popular Culture since the start of WWII.
Name me one major popular movement that was created in Europe since then!
Aside from a handful of music styles that have had mediocre success, Latin America has not had much influence on Popular Culture worldwide.
In the Last 30 years the 3 most popular Latin singers, Gloria Estefan, Julio Iglesias & Ricky Martin have all acheived their major success buy singing American Style Pop Tunes!

Latin American Literature is left wing drivel for the most part.

Art? Aside from Britto it is not worth mentioning.

Theatre? Is there any?

Cinema? A few Mexican films made by US trained Directors!

[Fetowip]

Originally posted by diablorojo
(1) LOL, everyone laughs at your baggy clothes and bit white tennis shoes! (2) Rock music developed from blues, and blues is black music.....the music of the oppressed and marginalized element of American society (3) the USA appropriates the music while condemning its creators to a state of second class citizens (4) OH, and it was Dvorak, a Czech composer who first noted the rich musical elements of Afro-American spirituals and attempted to canonize them (5) Maybe if you got away from whores and cheap alcohol, and actually learned something of the culture you would not open your mouth so much.

1. The baggy clothes and big white tennis shoes you're laughing at are exports of the very same oppressed black and latino minorities that you keep imagining and harping on. Make up your mind. Which side are you on Communist Devil?
2. Marginalized and Oppressed? I dare you to say that to my ex-wife or her inlaws and make it out alive. They are lawyers, doctors, college professors, policemen, even the mayor of Des Moines, Iowa is my ex's first cousin. The only people being marginalized are people unwilling to actually, oh work for a living and stop blaming their problems on the white devils with their boots on their necks. What totally ignorant nonsense.
3. The 'U.S' does? What, in fact is the 'U.S.'? Read a bit more. This is not a Cuban-Communist command economy. Ideas that sell, sell, and are sold. And? The most succesful music companies in the United States by far are black-owned, and black-operated selling to the world. But, they are U.S. citizens so I guess you are technically correct. Just ignoring that little fact that it's blacks selling black products, music, and ideas. Hate to let a little thing like the truth get in the way there, though, eh, Communist Devil?
4. His music was about as popular as that great keyboard he invented when he wasn't busy writing 'pop' hits.
5. You ought to look up the definition of 'whoring'. It fits your posts to a tee. If you don't know what I mean by that, please do the search before spouting again. As to not opening your mouth so much, well, even though I do find your posts amusing, we'll all just have to keep hope alive!

Tom (aka XR)

[Fruriourl]

Originally posted by Tony C
Como Agua para Chocolate? The Mexican Version of "Bridges of Madison County? Pure Hollywood Chick Flick! There's just one problem with that theory, Tony -- "Chocolate" was released in 1993, while "Bridges" was released in 1995. So if there's any imitation (and frankly, I don't see how the two films relate in your mind), it's Bridges imitating Chocolate....

[ZwHRoTTn]

Rock in the Spanish language is great.......Its a misconception to say that the groups imitate western ones.......you can say that all American groups sound the same, and that all British ones do as well if you follow that logic..... The reality is that the groups simply choose a certain style of music and find their niche within it.......

Groups like La Ley, Alex Sintek, Molotov, Los Prisioneros, El Tri, Seguridad Social, Los Enenitos Verdes, Aterciopelados, and Mana(before their songs all started to sound alike) are classic groups.....they each have their own style, and message which caters to the generation they inspire......the lyrics, image, and message are extremely different from western bands.....so don't confuse similar musical genre with imitation......

As far as Dominican rock goes.....mmmmmm lets just say its "not well developed" yet to put it nicely

Los Prisioneros are the best, even my professors are totally into them......they are the voice of a whole generation, of you intellectuals......their message is very profound.....Duran Duran can only dream of having such an effect on an entire continent

Their lyrics are OUR voice.....they imitate no one

Latinoamerica Es Un Pueblo Al Sur De E.E.U.U.

Para turistas gente curiosa,
es un sitio exotico para visitar
Es solo un lugar economico,
pero inadecuado para habitar
Les ofrecen Latinoamerica,
el Carnaval de Rio y las Ruinas Aztecas
Gente sucia vagando en las calles,
dispuesta a venderse por algunos USA dollars

Nadie en el resto del planeta toma en serio
a este inmenso pueblo lleno de tristeza
Se sonrien cuando ven que tiene veintitantas banderitas
Cada cual mas orgullosa de su soberania
Que tonteria!
Dividir es debilitar
Las potencias son los protectores
que prueban sus armas en nuestras guerrillas
Ya sean rojos o rayados a la hora del final no hay
diferencia
Invitan a nuestros lideres a vender su alma al
diablo verde
Inventan bonitas siglas para que se sientan
un poco mas importantes
Y el inocente pueblo de Latinoamerica
llorara si muere Ronald Reagan o la Reina
Y le sigue paso a paso la vida a Carolina
como si esa gente sufriera del subdesarrollo
Estamos en un hoyo! parece que en realidad...

Latinoamerica es un pueblo al sur de
Estados Unidos...

Para que se sientan en familia
copiamos sus barrios y su estilo de vida
We try to talk in the Jet-Set languaje
para que no nos crean incivilizados
Cuando visitamos sus ciudades
nos fichan y tratan como a delincuentes
Rusos, ingleses, gringos, franceses
se rien de nuestros novelescos directores
Somos un pueblito tan simpatico
que todos nos ayudan si se trata de ua guerra armar
Pero esa misma cantidad de oro la podrian dar
para encontrar la solucion definitiva al hambre
Latinoamerica es grande
Debe aprender a decidir

Latinoamerica es un pueblo al sur de Estados
Unidos...

[Qesomud]

First, let me say that listening to rock in spanish(not Spanish rock since all rock in Spanish is not from Spain) is like listening to merengue in English. In other words....it stinks.

Most Latin rock groups are cheap imitations of the rock greats. Examples are: La Ley and other Ley imitators are all Duran Duran imitators, and do a pretty bad job of it. Even our local group Tabu Tek is a Duran Duran copy and follows closely the 80s formula of great ones like Colin Newman, Killing Joke, Peter Murphy and Bill Nelson. Sorry we have nothing that even comes close to Radiohead.

The best known DR group Toque Profundo went bankrupt in DR and left for New York. The last report from N.Y. was that they were getting good press and fan approval. But I find that just a lot of hot air. Its too early to get that successful in such demanding city, with so much talent around. Their last CD got lots of play in DR radio, but little sales. Toque Profundo imitates the best and most original spanish rock group Heroes del Silencio, but fails to meet the "international" seal of approval that HS has earned. Vocalist Bunbury is the best lead singer of any group in Spanish, but his latest stuff is too commercial. He has lost his touch, although his sales have gone up. He is now top 40 taste.

A group called Top 40 in DR is just a parody of all groups. They sing mostly other peoples song, and to put salt on a wound, another group has risen with the name of Top 4, which is even better, yet they are not truly into rock. Top 40 has sued Top 4. They have no chance, since top 40 has never recorded anything.

Tribu Del Sol is making efforts to rise from the dead. Chances are slim and none. Al Jadaqui made lots of noise with their first production in DR, but never left our shores. Their second production did not break any new ground and they are now just a beach party band trying to survive the onlaught of bad record sales.

The latest recording for a DR band came from Tabu Tek who tried to get into Dominican folklore by turning "Compadre Pedro Juan" into rock. It was kind of interesting, but it just did not have any lasting effect. The rest got lost in the shuffle. They even tried to sell CDs by using a concert at Casa Teatro where they charged $150 pesos, which included a free CD. Their main song "Andas" was not strong enough to get them off shore.Sales were minimal.

Pavel Nuñez is a DR publicity stunt. Lots of money is being invested in this weirdo with no charisma, who looks like an overdone hippie. The guy even looks like a fag, acts and sings like one. He is not rock. Not even in Spanish. This guy comes from the Chichi Peralta school of boredom. Another flash in the pan.

The report card on DR rock in Spanish is: F for failure

TW

[Evelinessa]

Most of the groups you mention are from Mexico, there is a wide variety in styles.
Most of this groups have been around more than you think, Mana for example came from when Yamaha Festivals in Mexico City promoted contest in a yearly basis with a prize for the 1st place of a contract with a major record label.
By then Mana was called "Sombrero Verde" and it sucked, they used to look like a cheap copy of the Cure, so as its music.
Then after most of this groups were managed in their image and content by their managers of the record labels, such as Sony Mexico.
The groups and their songs correspond to the socio-economic sectors they have emerged, so to say, Molotov will be listened by Gang boys in ghetto areas, and Alex Syntec would be listened by preppy boys in nice discos.
My Favorites are:
Cafe Tacuba, La Maldita Vecindad, La Lupita (Lino guitar man used to be my guitarrist 15yrs ago), Botellita de Jerez, Alex Syntec, El Tri, Tex Tex, Molotov, Resorte, etc.
On the soft side definetely Kabah.

[Trebbinsa]

Spanish (language) rock groups are great, the only spanish (language) genre in music where there's any chance for depth and perception in lyrics.

You should check out Heroes del Silencio when you get a chance, it's older stuff, kind of the spanish equivelant of Led Zeppelin, though from a later time period (mostly the 80's I think).

Latin American Pop culture is (in my worthless opinion) about 10 years behind Europe and North America, so spanish rock from the 80's is a fair approximation of classic rock from the 70's.

It's funny how in Europe and North America we borrow so much from traditional Latin and African music in terms of rhythms and instrumentation, and then 10 years later they recycle it all over again and serve it back to us.

[opdirorg]

I love Spanish Rock. Sometimes even more than Merengue and Bachata...of course it's a different story when it comes to dancing. Mana is great, I saw them in concert last year and I am going again in a couple of weeks. I saw Cafe Tacuba last year as well and their concert was incredible. My other favorites are La Ley, Enanitos Verdes and Heroes del Silencio...check them out.

and for the Dominican spin....Last year I saw Juanes in Santo Domingo and there was this Dominican rock group that opened for him. I can't remember the name of the group but I liked *a couple* of their songs and would like to get my hands on them. I tried looking up the group online but no luck....anyone know the name of the group?

[ZwHRoTTn]

DOMINICAN CINEMA......is also a noble industry.....go back to 1923 and Francisco Arturo Palau. Rafael Augusto Sanchez in the 1930's.....Oscar Torres in the 1960's. He was the first Dominican director of international acclaim, Tierra Olvidada and Realengo 18 were both international hits.

Then there is Hugo Mateo and his 30 de Mayo: Gesta Libertadora, as well as Franklin Dominguez and his La Silla showing the horrors of Trujillito.

Jorge made La Serpiente de la Luna de los Piratas and won the Toulon Film Festival prize in 1975....

Jimmy Sierra and CINEC did a lot of stuff dealing with social realism in the 1970's. Adelso Cass made several films in the Soviet Union..... and Carlos Figueroa and Edison Rivas were also great film makers....

Antonio Guzman Fernandez, Jose Bujosa Mieses, Agliberto Melendez, Angel Muniz, Claudio Chea(Azucar Amargo), Rene Fortunato.....are all names to look for! Not being known in the US does not make our cinema nor arts second class.....remember, the US is a pretty closed market when it comes to foreign arts, music, and cinema......

DOMINICAN and Latin American cinema in general is very rich and varied, as well as innovative and artistic....anyone who denies this has obviously not been exposed to it!

[Dreaming]

Originally posted by Golo100
First, let me say that listening to rock in spanish(not Spanish rock since all rock in Spanish is not from Spain) is like listening to merengue in English. In other words....it stinks.

TW Hey! That's my line!

Hell it is even hard to find good Rock in English these days.

Anybody remember Los Brahmins? How about that stupid Dominican Hippie wannabee, Diaz? They were the Domincan Rock bands during the 80's. They sucked so bad we went to their shows to make fun of them.

I was a member of a Ex-pat Garage band back then and we openned for Los Brahmins once just for the hell of it. We sucked also. Funny thing was that when we played the 5 songs we knew and left the stage the crowd booed Los Brahmins when they took the stage.

[freddystone]

Rock in Spanish makes me wanna hurl.

[TerAlelmlor]

Musicians in Sto Dgo suffer from the crisis like so many others.

Places with live music have less customers due to high prices. Musicians are expected to perform for the same money as 2 years ago...which is worth only half etc...

One of the reasons why Tony and his band Toque Profundo went to New York.