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**streMunford** · 02-03-2009, 08:01 AM

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**reiruviartugs** · 02-03-2009, 10:25 AM

The Silver Line will never be rail. Let's just collectively sigh and move on.

**WGfg4CCZ** · 02-03-2009, 04:57 PM

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**MegaJIT** · 02-03-2009, 05:43 PM

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**reiruviartugs** · 02-04-2009, 04:28 AM

I don't know why climate change skeptics would be so opposed to taking steps against the phenomenon. If they're right, we're still more energy (and cost) efficient in the long run. If they're wrong, we've averted catastrophe.

**sherrferris** · 02-04-2009, 05:10 AM

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**gortusbig** · 02-04-2009, 06:02 AM

I changed the thread title and moved it to General because it's pretty obvious it's gonna go off on this tangent. There is already a Logan thread so any more discussion of the parking fees should go on there.

**gundas** · 02-04-2009, 07:17 AM

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**hojutok** · 02-04-2009, 07:23 AM

lol @ bosdev: it's more indicative of a mental disorder to interpret the function of a carbon tax to be a self-interested liberal's means of desire-fulfillment (a desire to punish people, no less!)

But I guess if one had a mental disorder, then one couldn't be blamed for this kind of self-indulgent myopia. And that would be unfortunate.

Anyway, burden of proof still on the side of the skeptics...

**WGfg4CCZ** · 03-03-2009, 01:56 PM

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**vipluka** · 03-03-2009, 05:24 PM

In case you didn't know the father of modern climatology, Dr. Reid Bryson, thought AGW was a crock of shit.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...fclimatechange
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au...017272,00.html
http://www.hawaiireporter.com/story....e-ddbbe163233e
http://tierneylab.blogs.nytimes.com/...-bet-and-mine/
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/c...-too-late.html
http://arxiv.org/abs/0809.3762v3
http://www.ibdeditorial.com/IBDArtic...87279412587175

Because AGW is this decade's 'panic' look at these for reference:

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sto...-25717,00.html
http://www.resiliencetv.fr/uploads/n...olingworld.pdf

For a little humor, I guess...

http://english.pravda.ru/science/ear...arth_ice_age-0

**gortusbig** · 03-03-2009, 05:51 PM

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**WGfg4CCZ** · 03-03-2009, 09:38 PM

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**vipluka** · 03-04-2009, 12:12 AM

Three points

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Educated doesn't automatically equal 'liberal'. The actual meaning of the 'Taliban' is actually a group of educated scholars. They just happen to be 7th Century reactionaries. Most of the fascist and imperial powers of the last century were quite educated, yet I wouldn't ever call any of them 'liberal'.

Point 2
Liberal can also mean anything from leftist to libertine. What it means in Europe vs. the US is in part to people misusing the label for three quarters of a century. The same is true of 'conservative'. Both labels are used too broadly in this country to the point they've lost most of their meaning.

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pelhamhall is right about Deval trying to distract everyone from the financial issues he won't fix with reform so he once again passing the cost of ineffective government on to the public.

**UltraSearchs** · 03-04-2009, 12:59 AM

My generalization was really pretty stupid, admittedly. And yes, also very elitist in and of itself. That's kinda the fun of Internet boards, isn't it? I apologize.

It pisses me off when people refer to themselves as "educated" just because their parents purchased them a bachelor degree at a Brand Name College and then purchased them a Masters Degree in Bla Bla Bla at some Boutique College.

"Edcucated" will never, ever mean "smart". Getting B's and C's at any number of random schools such as, for example, a Wheelock College certifies you as educated, but certainly not smart.

Again this hilarious (nationally mocked) "Carbon Surcharge Fee" opens the doors to lots of approaches such as this. Why not have a "Carbon surcharge fee" for people without solar panels on their homes? Or a "carbon surcharge fee" for people who buy produce that isn't locally grown?

**reiruviartugs** · 03-04-2009, 03:42 AM

It's BS because it's using the flavor of the month to sell this, when it has 11 other possible justifications. That doesn't mean it's not a legitimate strategy.

**TeNuaTe** · 03-04-2009, 04:15 AM

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**sherrferris** · 04-03-2009, 04:16 PM

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hojutok Join Date Nov 2005 Posts 516 Senior Member	lol @ bosdev: it's more indicative of a mental disorder to interpret the function of a carbon tax to be a self-interested liberal's means of desire-fulfillment (a desire to punish people, no less!) But I guess if one had a mental disorder, then one couldn't be blamed for this kind of self-indulgent myopia. And that would be unfortunate. Anyway, burden of proof still on the side of the skeptics... Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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vipluka Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 380 Senior Member	In case you didn't know the father of modern climatology, Dr. Reid Bryson, thought AGW was a crock of shit. http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...fclimatechange http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au...017272,00.html http://www.hawaiireporter.com/story....e-ddbbe163233e http://tierneylab.blogs.nytimes.com/...-bet-and-mine/ http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/c...-too-late.html http://arxiv.org/abs/0809.3762v3 http://www.ibdeditorial.com/IBDArtic...87279412587175 Because AGW is this decade's 'panic' look at these for reference: http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sto...-25717,00.html http://www.resiliencetv.fr/uploads/n...olingworld.pdf For a little humor, I guess... http://english.pravda.ru/science/ear...arth_ice_age-0 Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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vipluka Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 380 Senior Member	Three points Point 1 Educated doesn't automatically equal 'liberal'. The actual meaning of the 'Taliban' is actually a group of educated scholars. They just happen to be 7th Century reactionaries. Most of the fascist and imperial powers of the last century were quite educated, yet I wouldn't ever call any of them 'liberal'. Point 2 Liberal can also mean anything from leftist to libertine. What it means in Europe vs. the US is in part to people misusing the label for three quarters of a century. The same is true of 'conservative'. Both labels are used too broadly in this country to the point they've lost most of their meaning. Point 3 pelhamhall is right about Deval trying to distract everyone from the financial issues he won't fix with reform so he once again passing the cost of ineffective government on to the public. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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UltraSearchs Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 375 Senior Member	My generalization was really pretty stupid, admittedly. And yes, also very elitist in and of itself. That's kinda the fun of Internet boards, isn't it? I apologize. It pisses me off when people refer to themselves as "educated" just because their parents purchased them a bachelor degree at a Brand Name College and then purchased them a Masters Degree in Bla Bla Bla at some Boutique College. "Edcucated" will never, ever mean "smart". Getting B's and C's at any number of random schools such as, for example, a Wheelock College certifies you as educated, but certainly not smart. Again this hilarious (nationally mocked) "Carbon Surcharge Fee" opens the doors to lots of approaches such as this. Why not have a "Carbon surcharge fee" for people without solar panels on their homes? Or a "carbon surcharge fee" for people who buy produce that isn't locally grown? Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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