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**Edifsdubs** · 07-12-2012, 12:18 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdG6K...layer_embedded

**affewheillMapew** · 07-12-2012, 07:41 AM

which constitution do they swear allegience too?

**Alexeryy** · 07-12-2012, 10:39 AM

which constitution do they swear allegience too?

Good question. Whatever constitution, if it includes the 14th amendment, then it is not the organic constitution.

**affewheillMapew** · 07-12-2012, 11:51 AM

Good question. Whatever constitution, if it includes the 14th amendment, then it is not the organic constitution.

Well in the video they swear allegience to the constitution of the United States. I thought we should be looking for the constitution of the United States of America. I'm pretty sure there is a difference. Did they get the right one?

**CuittisIL** · 07-12-2012, 12:36 PM

i was banned from Oath Keepers for talking about the USS Liberty.

try it & join, your results may vary.

**Wr8dIAUk** · 07-12-2012, 12:46 PM

When I think "Oathkeepers" I think "Infiltrated/Controlled"

I like the premise of it, but I don't trust anything much anymore.

**Alexeryy** · 07-12-2012, 02:09 PM

Well in the video they swear allegience to the constitution of the United States. I thought we should be looking for the constitution of the United States of America. I'm pretty sure there is a difference. Did they get the right one?

Lots of controversy on this issue. Judging from facts derived from the constitution that is being executed there is nobody executing their office under the organic constitution. That begs the question "Which constitution are they executing?" Personally it is not an issue with me. I know that whatever government is in power in the United States is operating ultra vires of the document that I consider to be the main fiduciary agreement, a combination of the Articles of Confederation, the constitution for the United States, the Northwest ordinance and the Declaration of Independence. In addition the United States has engaged in several treaties that I believe they still honor.

The 14th amendment supersedes the organic constitution when the status of United States citizen is elected. Constitutional rights do not exist for these people. Instead civil rights are substituted. Fortunately there are options to being a U.S. citizen. One might be an autochthon instead with rights protected by treaty (Louisiana Purchase, Treaty of Guadeloupe Hidalgo, Articles of Confederation).

Congress writes rules for U.S. citizens. The several States writes rules for U.S. citizens. Nobody writes rules for inhabitants/autochthons. The operating constitution is for U.S. citizens. Your status is determined by YOU and nobody else. Learn what that status is and avoid controversy. [I understand you are down under but the same approach works for U.K. people as well].

**CuittisIL** · 07-12-2012, 02:09 PM

When I think "Oathkeepers" I think "Infiltrated/Controlled"

I like the premise of it, but I don't trust anything much anymore.

the premise is very solid - uniformed service people (cops military etc.) who make a vow to keep their promise to uphold the Consitution, up to & including dis-obeying orders that they find to be immoral or illegal.

perhaps the success of Oathkeepers indicates the need for an Oathkeepers-type-organization that is not controlled by Israel-sympathizers.

**Alexeryy** · 07-12-2012, 02:14 PM

the premise is very solid - uniformed service people (cops military etc.) who make a vow to keep their promise to uphold the Consitution

The constitution doesn't apply to U.S. citizens. These freed slaves need guidance and that is what government provides.

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affewheillMapew Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 359 Senior Member	Good question. Whatever constitution, if it includes the 14th amendment, then it is not the organic constitution. Well in the video they swear allegience to the constitution of the United States. I thought we should be looking for the constitution of the United States of America. I'm pretty sure there is a difference. Did they get the right one? Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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07-12-2012, 12:46 PM	#6
Wr8dIAUk Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 524 Senior Member	When I think "Oathkeepers" I think "Infiltrated/Controlled" I like the premise of it, but I don't trust anything much anymore. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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07-12-2012, 02:09 PM	#7
Alexeryy Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 504 Senior Member	Well in the video they swear allegience to the constitution of the United States. I thought we should be looking for the constitution of the United States of America. I'm pretty sure there is a difference. Did they get the right one? Lots of controversy on this issue. Judging from facts derived from the constitution that is being executed there is nobody executing their office under the organic constitution. That begs the question "Which constitution are they executing?" Personally it is not an issue with me. I know that whatever government is in power in the United States is operating ultra vires of the document that I consider to be the main fiduciary agreement, a combination of the Articles of Confederation, the constitution for the United States, the Northwest ordinance and the Declaration of Independence. In addition the United States has engaged in several treaties that I believe they still honor. The 14th amendment supersedes the organic constitution when the status of United States citizen is elected. Constitutional rights do not exist for these people. Instead civil rights are substituted. Fortunately there are options to being a U.S. citizen. One might be an autochthon instead with rights protected by treaty (Louisiana Purchase, Treaty of Guadeloupe Hidalgo, Articles of Confederation). Congress writes rules for U.S. citizens. The several States writes rules for U.S. citizens. Nobody writes rules for inhabitants/autochthons. The operating constitution is for U.S. citizens. Your status is determined by YOU and nobody else. Learn what that status is and avoid controversy. [I understand you are down under but the same approach works for U.K. people as well]. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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Alexeryy Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 504 Senior Member	the premise is very solid - uniformed service people (cops military etc.) who make a vow to keep their promise to uphold the Consitution The constitution doesn't apply to U.S. citizens. These freed slaves need guidance and that is what government provides. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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