[JohnMaltczevitch]

Always thought the USDA might be a CIA front agency.

https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportun...=core&_cview=0

(1) 40 caliber, 180 grain, 120,000 rounds or equivalent,
(2) 9 mm, 124 grain, 50,000 rounds or equivalent,
(3) .38 caliber, 135 grain, 10,000 rounds or equivalent,
(4) .380 caliber, 90 grain, 6,000 rounds or equivalent,
(5) .223 caliber, 64 grain, 87,500 rounds or equivalent,
(6) 12 gauge 00 buck, 15,000 rounds or equivalent,
(7) 40 caliber frangible, 10,000 rounds or equivalent,
(8) 9 caliber frangible, 10,000 rounds or equivalent,
(9) .223 caliber frangible, 10,000 rounds or equivalent,
(10) 12 gauge 1 oz slug, 7,500 rounds or equivalent Any idea what 9 caliber is shot through (#8)?

[WhiliaStelt]

Why would the Department of Agriculture need this much ammo?

[Worseacar]

I dunno, but they sponsored my mortgage...I guess I better make sure I pay.

[jamemeveRhype]

Almost a 100,000 rounds of .223. They carry M-16's?

[gomosopions]

What do the frangible rounds do differently? Cause less property damage or reduce chance of ricochet rounds?

[sttrqiss]

Frangible ammo is ammo that is designed to break up on impact of hard targets. The idea is to reduce penetration (say through walls) while still being leathal. They do both of those things OK, but not great.

They do indeed carry m-4's (shortened m-16/ar-15). Likley also Glock 22/23's and 17/19's. Kinda suprised they have 9mm in the first place to be honest.

The 180 gr .40 cal and the 124 gr 9mm are self defense loads, Im pretty sure most of the federal groups use Speer or Corbon.


Honestly, the amount of ammunition isnt realy alarming. Thats barley enough ammo for a years worth of training. What IS alarming is that the USDA has its own SWAT teams in the first place.

I think that 9 "caliber" is a misprint of 9mm. Hey, it is government work, so Im surpised its even spell checked.

[niemamczasu]

Don't worry about what their buying ........just make sure your buying.

[Innoloinarp]

Another possible benefit of frangible ammunition is delivering 100% of the kinetic energy into the target. If a bullet exits the other side of a target and continues on to strike another target that remaining energy is not absorbed by the initial target. When 100% of the payload stops in the 1st target one can be assured 100% of the energy was absorbed by that target.

[ElenaEvgeevnaa]

I think BlackBlade has that much ammo propping to door to his reloading room open...

[sttrqiss]

Another possible benefit of frangible ammunition is delivering 100% of the kinetic energy into the target. If a bullet exits the other side of a target and continues on to strike another target that remaining energy is not absorbed by the initial target. When 100% of the payload stops in the 1st target one can be assured 100% of the energy was absorbed by that target.

Thats true, in the theory.

When you talk about dumping energy into a target, its best to have the energy dump quickly, not gradualy over the course of the bullets travel inside a body. Frangibles, if they break up in a human generaly shed into peices gradualy and immediatley upon impact. This leaves a REALLY nasty wound full of lots of sharpnel, but not a STOP as often times the fragments or bullet wont reach vital areas.

Now, good quality hollow points, like Hornady, Speer, Gold Dot, Federal, Corbon, etc are designed to expand and yaw after so many inches of penetration. This makes a massive temporary wound channel and dumps the entire payloads worth of energy in the vital internals, not the fleshy surface and fat. I will take quality JHP's over frangbile any day of the week.

[Innoloinarp]

I will take quality JHP's over frangbile any day of the week.

I've always considered frangible ammo to be entirely too expensive to even be worth considering over the tried and true.

[sttrqiss]

I've always considered frangible ammo to be entirely too expensive to even be worth considering over the tried and true.

You can say that again. Even the good JHP's these days are running around $1 a bullet, sometimes more.

[blackjackblax]

Why would the Department of Agriculture need this much ammo?

for those small scale farms in Michigan that grow pigs that are not on the USDA approved list.

e.g. the long-hair pigs. good for Michigan winters. and will get you a felony & 4 years in jail, via Obama administration laws.


it's as if the Piggy Monsanto was in the Pig business, and is sic'ing the US gov. on farmers who "grow their own". except it's not Monsanto that sponsored that particular bill that is being enforced in Michigan.