[avavavava]

You can bypass all this by showing a US passport....I done it in many places, and all that they will have is a passport number....keep your drivers license in a security envelope, like I do.......your new passport comes with a security envelope.

Only post of the day..........good morning to one and all.
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The Tracking Tool the Government Uses that You Already Carry with You.

By Eric Peters

That little plastic laminated card you’ve got in your wallet or purse – you know, the state’s permission slip for operating a motor vehicle? Ever stop to reflect how peripheral the driving part of a driver’s license is?

Because, of course, a driver’s license is in fact our national ID card.

It’s impossible to function in modern society without this national ID card – even if you never get behind the wheel of an automobile. You can’t open a bank account, cash a check, visit the doctor, vote, board an airplane or even get a job without one.

Or at least, it is very difficult to do these things without one.

And none of these things, as such, have anything to do with the operation of a motor vehicle.

If it were merely a driver’s license, the main issue would be whether we’re sufficiently competent to get behind the wheel. There would be a meaningful test of one’s ability to handle a car. An actual road test on an actual road, in traffic – not the perfunctory drive around the cones in the DMV parking lot (and even that is only required of new/first-time applicants in most states) preceded by a sixth-grade-level written (well, touch-screen video) test of one’s knowledge of The Law.

A medium-smart baboon could pass this test with a little coaching. Few ever fail it – baboons or otherwise. Most of us snicker at the absurdity of it. But it is only absurd from the perspective that assumes they are testing our ability to drive.

Rather, the object of the exercise is ascertaining our identity – in order that we may be kept track of via the interlocking system of data acquisition, indexing, recording and cross-referencing that is the Matrix of modern society.

It is about information – and control.

If it were not, “driver’s licenses” would not be linked to one’s Social Security number – the government-issued ear tag every calf (oops, citizen) is issued at birth. The SS number, in turn, is the number the government uses to make sure you pay your taxes, to keep track of where you work (and how much you earn), where you bank (and how much you have in the bank), where you live, whom you marry, whether you have children (each of them to be issued their own ear tag in turn) and so on – all of which, again, have nothing to do with your competence as a driver.

But just try to get a “driver’s license” without presenting your Social Security card. There will be much wailing and gnashing of teeth. Red Flags will be raised.

Even if you have an SS number, they will also likely want your birth certificate, a document (also with your SS number) from your bank, or your mortgage holder, or something along those lines. Then, having presented these documents, they will obtain “biometric” information from you – a fingerprint in some cases or merely a special photo that maps your face so that the Panopticon (those cameras that are increasingly everywhere) can register your presence and record your presence wherever you happen to be – which most of the time, of course, will be somewhere that’s not in your car.

I go too far?

Then consider the fact that even non-drivers must obtain what amounts to the same national ID card in order to be able to do the things mentioned up above. They must show up at the Department of Motor Vehicles and provide the same items – SS number and other documents confirming that number. They will then be biometrically cataloged, just like the other cows (er, “drivers”).

No one escapes the national ID card unless they are “off the grid” – a person who exists outside the system, as a de facto (if not de jure) outlaw.

http://www.economicpolicyjournal.com...-that-you.html

[poRmawayncmop]

doesn't a newer passport have a chip in them though?

[bunkalapa]

doesn't a newer passport have a chip in them though?

yes.

[Soolfelpecelf]

doesn't a newer passport have a chip in them though?

Correct...

Can a request be made for a new passport to be issued without a chip?

No. Since August 2007, all domestic passport agencies and centers issue only e-passports.
http://travel.state.gov/passport/passport_2788.html

[suidinguilelf]

Don't quote me on this.

BUT I think you can get a TIN (tax id number) and you can move around in the matrix almost the same. though you would have to list yourself as a business.

but seeing that this is how the gubbermint sees you anyway I really don't see it as being that inconvient. but it would free you from the personal schakles of furnishing a SS to do daily business

[avavavava]

This is why I hate to post, and doing it less..........GOLDLEAF?......please read what I posted........

"YOUR NEW PASSPORT COME WITH A SECURITY EMVELOPE"......if it does not come with a chip then why have a security emvelope?.............crap, made me post twice.

[InvertPrete]

Ponce for someone who hates posting with your intensity, you do post quite a lot!...

[avavavava]

Ok Neuro.............and Ponce goes away in silence and not with a BANG.

[ChrisGoldstein]

This is why I hate to post, and doing it less..........GOLDLEAF?......please read what I posted........

"YOUR NEW PASSPORT COME WITH A SECURITY EMVELOPE"......if it does not come with a chip then why have a security emvelope?.............crap, made me post twice.

11,000+ posts...yeah, you really hate to post Ponce...lmao

[NvrNoNowX]

Ok Neuro.............and Ponce goes away in silence and not with a BANG.

That was three posts, Ponce.
And a good afternoon to you.


On a serious note, why not run a magnet over your DL or passport to make the chip "malfunction"?

[ChrisGoldstein]

That was three posts, Ponce.
And a good afternoon to you.


On a serious note, why not run a magnet over your DL or passport to make the chip "malfunction"?

in order for that to have an effect, you have to have a fairly powerful magnet...the ones on your fridge probly won't do shit.

but if you have a rare earth magnet, should fark that strip up royally. and you could always say "i don't know how the strip got ruined, maybe i was hit by an EMP!"