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Old 11-13-2011, 01:22 AM   #1
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Default Iso 26000 social responsibility
Ran across this one today ... The cost is too steep for me ... $213 for a 106 page standard .. but I am curious what guidelines it gives. This standard is intended for governments as well as companies.

http://www.iso.org/iso/iso_catalogue...csnumber=42546

ISO 26000:2010 provides guidance to all types of organizations, regardless of their size or location, on:

* concepts, terms and definitions related to social responsibility;
* the background, trends and characteristics of social responsibility;
* principles and practices relating to social responsibility;
* the core subjects and issues of social responsibility;
* integrating, implementing and promoting socially responsible behaviour throughout the organization and, through its policies and practices, within its sphere of influence;
* identifying and engaging with stakeholders; and
* communicating commitments, performance and other information related to social responsibility.

ISO 26000:2010 is intended to assist organizations in contributing to sustainable development. It is intended to encourage them to go beyond legal compliance, recognizing that compliance with law is a fundamental duty of any organization and an essential part of their social responsibility. It is intended to promote common understanding in the field of social responsibility, and to complement other instruments and initiatives for social responsibility, not to replace them.

In applying ISO 26000:2010, it is advisable that an organization take into consideration societal, environmental, legal, cultural, political and organizational diversity, as well as differences in economic conditions, while being consistent with international norms of behaviour.

ISO 26000:2010 is not a management system standard. It is not intended or appropriate for certification purposes or regulatory or contractual use. Any offer to certify, or claims to be certified, to ISO 26000 would be a misrepresentation of the intent and purpose and a misuse of ISO 26000:2010. As ISO 26000:2010 does not contain requirements, any such certification would not be a demonstration of conformity with ISO 26000:2010.

ISO 26000:2010 is intended to provide organizations with guidance concerning social responsibility and can be used as part of public policy activities. However, for the purposes of the Marrakech Agreement establishing the World Trade Organization (WTO), it is not intended to be interpreted as an “international standard”, “guideline” or “recommendation”, nor is it intended to provide a basis for any presumption or finding that a measure is consistent with WTO obligations. Further, it is not intended to provide a basis for legal actions, complaints, defences or other claims in any international, domestic or other proceeding, nor is it intended to be cited as evidence of the evolution of customary international law.

ISO 26000:2010 is not intended to prevent the development of national standards that are more specific, more demanding, or of a different type.
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Old 11-13-2011, 01:30 AM   #2
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Look to me like if this is something new......so.......wanamake some money?........buy yourself the book, lock yourself in a room for two months an study the book, find the loopsholes and backdoors......print yourself some business cards with the appropiate name and terms, print some pamplets.......visit different companies and offer your service as a "consultant" and tell them that you can help them with the new issues in this new law................wrap the bullshit in Christmas paper, be good in double talk and make your money........remember that most companies are to lazy (as congress) to read something like this.

"Is not what you say, but how you say it"... Ponce
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Old 11-13-2011, 01:35 AM   #3
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I don't doubt you are right.

10 years ago ISO 9001 was a major hit ... U.S. companies spent billions to convert their organizations over to it.

This one has "instant winner" posted all over it. Right up Al Gore's alley.
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Old 11-13-2011, 01:36 AM   #4
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To be honest I was thinking of adapting it as policy guidelines for my own government.
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Old 11-13-2011, 04:26 AM   #5
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My OOSI (Operating Outside the Standards of the Internationals) will be in print 2012.

It will be a comprehensive and detailed study of what to do when there there is no money left after following the ISO standards.
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Old 11-13-2011, 06:21 AM   #6
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Old 11-13-2011, 12:34 PM   #7
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Good one, Mouse.

The fact remains that nature hates a vacuum. When corporate greed is found to be false doctrine there is going to be a huge void that is going to need filled.

In the past morality might have received its' reward in an afterlife (sure little reward in either before-life or mid-life). Corporations do not exist for morality. They exist for profit. A paradym shift that is foreseeable is to a standard that gauges a corporation by its "well-doing". How is "well-doing" gauged? One gauge used in the past was number of employees that would hit the unemployment line if a company was forced to close. Who knows? Maybe this standard is going to substitute that simple test with a more complicated one.
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Old 11-13-2011, 01:02 PM   #8
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what they need is an ISO-J3W ... "how to run an honest business organization".

biggest laugh i ever heard - Northrop Grumman - had 2 whistleblower cases make the newspaper the last 15 years. settled 2 of them for $110 Million & 60 million, "without admitting wrongdoing" ... the 3rd involved missile defense & a scientist named Nira Schwartz - difficult for the government to prosecute because everything was cloaked in 'national security'.

the Schwartz case was in about 1995, then there was the shootdown of TWA 800 in 1998 - my guess is, there was a relationship between what Schwartz was working on & what happened in the Long Island sound.


AND THEN THEY (Northrop Grumman) TURN AROUND - and tell us engineers how important "business ethics" is !!

that was also where I was for "ISO-9001" training. they didn't want to hear that the Vector Network Analyzers they were so in love with was built by engineers at Wiltron & HP in the 1980's who were guided by - physics & common sense - no ISO nothing.


in case you can't tell, i think ISO is 99% bullshit. my guess is, most of the ISO employees are Jewish - i.e. it's a Jobs for Jews program.
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Old 11-13-2011, 01:28 PM   #9
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that was also where I was for "ISO-9001" training. they didn't want to hear that the Vector Network Analyzers they were so in love with was built by engineers at Wiltron & HP in the 1980's who were guided by - physics & common sense - no ISO nothing.


in case you can't tell, i think ISO is 99% bullshit. my guess is, most of the ISO employees are Jewish - i.e. it's a Jobs for Jews program.
I can tell you are as great a fan of ISO 9001 as I am. Signing up for this certification was as good as admitting that your company was not well run.

Hegelian dialect calls for a problem to exist, a cause identified and a solution selected (thesis, anti-thesis and synthesis). ISO 26000 would not be in existence unless it is being considered for synthesis. Since the enemy has had his choice of weapon then YOU must be the one who has issued the challenge. Don't you think it is a good idea to study the weapon before mounting the field of battel?
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Old 11-13-2011, 02:04 PM   #10
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I can tell you are as great a fan of ISO 9001 as I am. Signing up for this certification was as good as admitting that your company was not well run.

Hegelian dialect calls for a problem to exist, a cause identified and a solution selected (thesis, anti-thesis and synthesis). ISO 26000 would not be in existence unless it is being considered for synthesis. Since the enemy has had his choice of weapon then YOU must be the one who has issued the challenge. Don't you think it is a good idea to study the weapon before mounting the field of battel?
i did not rebel too much. i went along with the program.

it is so Dilbertian.








in the 90's it was ISO-9001, in the 00's it was 6-Sigma.

i have seen a grand total of one engineering problem that was solved by proper use of statistics - and that was before 6 Sigma.


i think for many companies, it is seen as a marketing thing. then they can put it in their ads, "ISO-9001 certified".
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Old 11-13-2011, 02:14 PM   #11
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i did not rebel too much. i went along with the program.

it is so Dilbertian.








in the 90's it was ISO-9001, in the 00's it was 6-Sigma.

i have seen a grand total of one engineering problem that was solved by proper use of statistics - and that was before 6 Sigma.


i think for many companies, it is seen as a marketing thing. then they can put it in their ads, "ISO-9001 certified".
Agree, so far as being a real help, it is worthless and a waste of time and effort, major time/money witch hunt.

Good people knowing their job, good management that listen to what is said on the shop floor and rewards innovation, that make the product better and the process faster , will trump all statistical mambo jumbo.
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Old 11-13-2011, 05:43 PM   #12
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I deal with crap like this on a regular basis. I go through all the major audits; ISO, SAS70, SOX the whole shebang. A total waste of employee time and resources. Executives love it. The audits do absolutely nothing to help the products and do a ton in terms of increasing worker fatigue and annoyance. Busy work for the sake of busy work. If half the time spent on auditing was spent on product development every firm I've worked for that undergoes these audits would be several stages ahead in application development.

It reminds me of government.

Six sigma is another bullshit cert, which in industry terms also means executives love it.
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Old 11-14-2011, 12:26 AM   #13
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It reminds me of government.

Six sigma is another bullshit cert, which in industry terms also means executives love it.
Now you know why I think this is the targeted Hegelian dialect sythesis. It does nothing except maintain the status quo, will cost a fortune to implement and can be classified as "shovel ready".
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Old 11-14-2011, 12:37 AM   #14
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Now you know why I think this is the targeted Hegelian dialect sythesis. It does nothing except maintain the status quo, will cost a fortune to implement and can be classified as "shovel ready".
in the military industry, hours billed = money.

typically, a 'defense' contractor will include set-asides in their billing, for things like ISO training, R&D, etc.

that is, part of the bill for a project project (like the F22) goes to pay for overhead sh.t like ISO, and occasionally productive stuff in R&D.

well, of course - they then have to spend the money, to book the hours. a contractor like Northrop Grumman will charge the government about $3 for every $1 of employee salary. i.e., 2/3 of what they bill is gross profit. the rest goes to pay for the fountain in front of the executive building ... sh.t like that.


i have a hunch top managers like ISO because it puts more money in their pocket.

i wouldn't be surprised if some of these things are an organizational form of 'Kosher' !
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Old 11-14-2011, 01:00 AM   #15
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i have a hunch top managers like ISO because it puts more money in their pocket
Executive compensation is a direct relationship to the budget each controls. The incentive is not to decrease the budget (and ones own salary) but to see that it grows.

Executives love unions too. Don't let yourself be convinced otherwise.
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Old 11-14-2011, 05:18 PM   #16
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I had to describe my job for ISO-9000 purposes; let's just say I feel badly for whomever receives that document. It was a clusterfuck describing every imaginable situation. There is very little chance it could be used to solve ANY real problems if the individual was not already trained or smart.
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