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**ErnestTU** · 10-18-2011, 01:02 AM

I was on the other side of this issue for many years. The part about it being a woman's choice is powerful, yet it damns her to choose killing her own baby. While I don't have everything figured out, I do know now that the unborn are the miracle of life, and the last refuge of innocence in an otherwise corrupt world.

Awoke, you have done a good thing. Principle demands defending those that cannot speak for themselves. The majesty of creation is what is being blotted out of our world. Replacing it is the Golden Calf of digital self-gratification. It is all around us - the sky, the ground, the plants - no one sees it any more. More troubling, no one appreciates it any more. No profit, no value.

You continue to provide deep thought through your words Awoke, and remind people like me that there's many perspectives to learn from and how ignorant we still are. We just popped our third grand kid - starting to get old, man - wondering why it has to be so intense when knowing the truth is most of the battle.

**Nekas48** · 10-18-2011, 02:12 AM

man! i wish i had been with you two for that one!

**cingularring** · 10-18-2011, 02:33 AM

Ok I guess I am the only one on this site who is for abortion, so go ahead cuss me out,
here's an example of one who should of had an abortion,

A guy in our town (used to live there) has 3 brothers in mental institutions, I am not sure what they have, but schizophrenia is one, and their brains never devoloped past a 10 year old, this guy hooked up with one of the known crank flies and she got pregnant, they were at the bar/liquor store celebrating (both drinking and smoking) while she was pregnant, and they both have been seen coming out of the dealers house, everyone in town knows him, he sells crank, well she had the baby, and I saw all 3 of them in the liquor store the other day as she was drinking beer while smoking and breast feeding. So where will this all end up ?

A baby without a chance? maybe she should have had a abortion? Do you think these people are the only ones?

**denSmumbSes** · 10-18-2011, 02:38 AM

i'm not beating up on you, but i don't presume to know the baby doesn't have a chance. maybe the parents will put him up for adoption because they get tired of him, the state will take him away because of child endangerment, maybe the parents will od on drugs and he'll end up foster care, whatever. maybe the kid will end up alright. certainly beats vacuuming him out and flushing him down the drain because his parents were fuckups, in my opinion.

**Rchzygnc** · 10-18-2011, 02:39 AM

Ok I guess I am the only one on this site who is for abortion, so go ahead cuss me out,
here's an example of one who should of had an abortion,

A guy in our town (used to live there) has 3 brothers in mental institutions, I am not sure what they have, but schizophrenia is one, and their brains never devoloped past a 10 year old, this guy hooked up with one of the known crank flies and she got pregnant, they were at the bar/liquor store celebrating (both drinking and smoking) while she was pregnant, and they both have been seen coming out of the dealers house, everyone in town knows him, he sells crank, well she had the baby, and I saw all 3 of them in the liquor store the other day as she was drinking beer while smoking and breast feeding. So where will this all end up ?

A baby without a chance? maybe she should have had a abortion? Do you think these people are the only ones?

The tail doesn't wag the dog.

I don't doubt your scenario but I think you would agree that it is the very very very small minority of cases.

**cingularring** · 10-18-2011, 02:48 AM

This is a god honest truth, I feel so sorry for that baby, I can't beleive the hospital let them take it home, little guy doesn't have a chance.

I wish she would have had an abortion.

Really Lucky, you think this is a small minority, I think there are more out there like these two then we think.

**Nekas48** · 10-18-2011, 03:05 AM

i'm not beating up on you either zap, but i have to say, but in post #23 the first thing that came to my mind was this...

**23InetrySypekek** · 10-18-2011, 03:13 AM

This is a god honest truth, I feel so sorry for that baby, I can't beleive the hospital let them take it home, little guy doesn't have a chance.

The hospital isn't the problem here and the little guys chance is hypothetical.

I wish she would have had an abortion.

You wish death? I wish that you shall pray for this child.

**oxinsnepe** · 10-18-2011, 03:15 AM

Zap, I consider myself pro-choice (with problems). I believe in freedom of choice for individuals.. that being said, I can't agree with most of the reasons a woman would have an abortion... but that leaves open the option to consider special circumstances.

I remember reading a testimony of a woman (Olga Lengyel) in the nazi prisoner camps. She said her and some of the other nurses would induce the labor of pregnant women before the nazis could seize the infant, because the nazis would experiment with the neonates... and they (Olga and the other nurses) would kill the infants..

**Rchzygnc** · 10-18-2011, 03:18 AM

believe in freedom of choice for individuals..

I can assure you the babies themselves choose to live, the mothers choose otherwise and in doing so end another individuals freedom.

**oxinsnepe** · 10-18-2011, 03:20 AM

I can assure you the babies themselves choose to live, the mothers choose otherwise and in doing so end another individuals freedom.

Don't take what I said out of context... or I will abort you...

**cingularring** · 10-18-2011, 03:21 AM

The hospital isn't the problem here and the little guys chance is hypothetical.

You wish death? I wish that you shall pray for this child.

Yes I wish death, because even though it is nasty and terrible to think of, I don't think an fetus, would have a clue that it was going to die, I don't think it would have any fear or terror. I don't know about praying, It would be nice if praying did help.

I don't agree with abortions taking place in the 2nd trimester, I think if they were to abort a baby it would have to be very early, 4 weeks at the latest.

This is just my opinion.

**Rchzygnc** · 10-18-2011, 03:23 AM

Don't take what I said out of context... or I will abort you...

You think I took it out of context, or do you think I presented it in a way you hadn't thought of before?

**oxinsnepe** · 10-18-2011, 03:27 AM

You think I took it out of context, or do you think I presented it in a way you hadn't thought of before?

You get Ximmy's exclusive DUMBASS Award... Congratulations!!

I consider myself pro-choice (with problems).

**cingularring** · 10-18-2011, 03:29 AM

You get Ximmy's exclusive DUMBASS Award... Congratulations!!

I consider myself pro-choice (with problems).

Mee too XIMMY

**Nekas48** · 10-18-2011, 03:30 AM

Yes I wish death, because even though it is nasty and terrible to think of, I don't think an fetus, would have a clue that it was going to die, I don't think it would have any fear or terror. I don't know about praying, It would be nice if praying did help.

I don't agree with abortions taking place in the 2nd trimester, I think if they were to abort a baby it would have to be very early, 4 weeks at the latest.

This is just my opinion.

now there's the clincher right there...at what point do we credit the infant with "people" status and stop regarding it as an object?

**cingularring** · 10-18-2011, 03:33 AM

I don't know the answer, FS

**Rchzygnc** · 10-18-2011, 03:35 AM

You get Ximmy's exclusive DUMBASS Award... Congratulations!!

I consider myself pro-choice (with problems).

Perhaps you can try wording it less awkwardly so it becomes intelligible.

**oxinsnepe** · 10-18-2011, 03:35 AM

now there's the clincher right there...at what point do we credit the infant with "people" status and stop regarding it as an object?

A human is never not a human

**Nekas48** · 10-18-2011, 03:39 AM

A human is never not a human

therefore termination of that innocent human's life force would be considered murder then, would it not?

10-18-2011, 01:02 AM	#21
ErnestTU Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 543 Senior Member	I was on the other side of this issue for many years. The part about it being a woman's choice is powerful, yet it damns her to choose killing her own baby. While I don't have everything figured out, I do know now that the unborn are the miracle of life, and the last refuge of innocence in an otherwise corrupt world. Awoke, you have done a good thing. Principle demands defending those that cannot speak for themselves. The majesty of creation is what is being blotted out of our world. Replacing it is the Golden Calf of digital self-gratification. It is all around us - the sky, the ground, the plants - no one sees it any more. More troubling, no one appreciates it any more. No profit, no value. You continue to provide deep thought through your words Awoke, and remind people like me that there's many perspectives to learn from and how ignorant we still are. We just popped our third grand kid - starting to get old, man - wondering why it has to be so intense when knowing the truth is most of the battle. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-18-2011, 02:12 AM	#22
Nekas48 Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 477 Senior Member	man! i wish i had been with you two for that one! Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-18-2011, 02:33 AM	#23
cingularring Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 478 Senior Member	Ok I guess I am the only one on this site who is for abortion, so go ahead cuss me out, here's an example of one who should of had an abortion, A guy in our town (used to live there) has 3 brothers in mental institutions, I am not sure what they have, but schizophrenia is one, and their brains never devoloped past a 10 year old, this guy hooked up with one of the known crank flies and she got pregnant, they were at the bar/liquor store celebrating (both drinking and smoking) while she was pregnant, and they both have been seen coming out of the dealers house, everyone in town knows him, he sells crank, well she had the baby, and I saw all 3 of them in the liquor store the other day as she was drinking beer while smoking and breast feeding. So where will this all end up ? A baby without a chance? maybe she should have had a abortion? Do you think these people are the only ones? Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-18-2011, 02:38 AM	#24
denSmumbSes Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 544 Senior Member	i'm not beating up on you, but i don't presume to know the baby doesn't have a chance. maybe the parents will put him up for adoption because they get tired of him, the state will take him away because of child endangerment, maybe the parents will od on drugs and he'll end up foster care, whatever. maybe the kid will end up alright. certainly beats vacuuming him out and flushing him down the drain because his parents were fuckups, in my opinion. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-18-2011, 02:39 AM	#25
Rchzygnc Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 366 Senior Member	Ok I guess I am the only one on this site who is for abortion, so go ahead cuss me out, here's an example of one who should of had an abortion, A guy in our town (used to live there) has 3 brothers in mental institutions, I am not sure what they have, but schizophrenia is one, and their brains never devoloped past a 10 year old, this guy hooked up with one of the known crank flies and she got pregnant, they were at the bar/liquor store celebrating (both drinking and smoking) while she was pregnant, and they both have been seen coming out of the dealers house, everyone in town knows him, he sells crank, well she had the baby, and I saw all 3 of them in the liquor store the other day as she was drinking beer while smoking and breast feeding. So where will this all end up ? A baby without a chance? maybe she should have had a abortion? Do you think these people are the only ones? The tail doesn't wag the dog. I don't doubt your scenario but I think you would agree that it is the very very very small minority of cases. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-18-2011, 02:48 AM	#26
cingularring Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 478 Senior Member	This is a god honest truth, I feel so sorry for that baby, I can't beleive the hospital let them take it home, little guy doesn't have a chance. I wish she would have had an abortion. Really Lucky, you think this is a small minority, I think there are more out there like these two then we think. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-18-2011, 03:05 AM	#27
Nekas48 Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 477 Senior Member	i'm not beating up on you either zap, but i have to say, but in post #23 the first thing that came to my mind was this... Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-18-2011, 03:13 AM	#28
23InetrySypekek Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 516 Senior Member	This is a god honest truth, I feel so sorry for that baby, I can't beleive the hospital let them take it home, little guy doesn't have a chance. The hospital isn't the problem here and the little guys chance is hypothetical. I wish she would have had an abortion. You wish death? I wish that you shall pray for this child. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-18-2011, 03:15 AM	#29
oxinsnepe Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 489 Senior Member	Zap, I consider myself pro-choice (with problems). I believe in freedom of choice for individuals.. that being said, I can't agree with most of the reasons a woman would have an abortion... but that leaves open the option to consider special circumstances. I remember reading a testimony of a woman (Olga Lengyel) in the nazi prisoner camps. She said her and some of the other nurses would induce the labor of pregnant women before the nazis could seize the infant, because the nazis would experiment with the neonates... and they (Olga and the other nurses) would kill the infants.. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-18-2011, 03:18 AM	#30
Rchzygnc Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 366 Senior Member	believe in freedom of choice for individuals.. I can assure you the babies themselves choose to live, the mothers choose otherwise and in doing so end another individuals freedom. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-18-2011, 03:20 AM	#31
oxinsnepe Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 489 Senior Member	I can assure you the babies themselves choose to live, the mothers choose otherwise and in doing so end another individuals freedom. Don't take what I said out of context... or I will abort you... Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-18-2011, 03:21 AM	#32
cingularring Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 478 Senior Member	The hospital isn't the problem here and the little guys chance is hypothetical. You wish death? I wish that you shall pray for this child. Yes I wish death, because even though it is nasty and terrible to think of, I don't think an fetus, would have a clue that it was going to die, I don't think it would have any fear or terror. I don't know about praying, It would be nice if praying did help. I don't agree with abortions taking place in the 2nd trimester, I think if they were to abort a baby it would have to be very early, 4 weeks at the latest. This is just my opinion. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-18-2011, 03:23 AM	#33
Rchzygnc Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 366 Senior Member	Don't take what I said out of context... or I will abort you... You think I took it out of context, or do you think I presented it in a way you hadn't thought of before? Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-18-2011, 03:27 AM	#34
oxinsnepe Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 489 Senior Member	You think I took it out of context, or do you think I presented it in a way you hadn't thought of before? You get Ximmy's exclusive DUMBASS Award... Congratulations!! I consider myself pro-choice (with problems). Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-18-2011, 03:29 AM	#35
cingularring Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 478 Senior Member	You get Ximmy's exclusive DUMBASS Award... Congratulations!! I consider myself pro-choice (with problems). Mee too XIMMY Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-18-2011, 03:30 AM	#36
Nekas48 Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 477 Senior Member	Yes I wish death, because even though it is nasty and terrible to think of, I don't think an fetus, would have a clue that it was going to die, I don't think it would have any fear or terror. I don't know about praying, It would be nice if praying did help. I don't agree with abortions taking place in the 2nd trimester, I think if they were to abort a baby it would have to be very early, 4 weeks at the latest. This is just my opinion. now there's the clincher right there...at what point do we credit the infant with "people" status and stop regarding it as an object? Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-18-2011, 03:33 AM	#37
cingularring Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 478 Senior Member	I don't know the answer, FS Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-18-2011, 03:35 AM	#38
Rchzygnc Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 366 Senior Member	You get Ximmy's exclusive DUMBASS Award... Congratulations!! I consider myself pro-choice (with problems). Perhaps you can try wording it less awkwardly so it becomes intelligible. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-18-2011, 03:39 AM	#40
Nekas48 Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 477 Senior Member	A human is never not a human therefore termination of that innocent human's life force would be considered murder then, would it not? Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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