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**Roamsaffots** · 09-21-2011, 06:00 PM

Bernanke I mean...

**Dildos** · 09-21-2011, 06:01 PM

2:15 EST

About 15 more minutes before the announcement

**Roamsaffots** · 09-21-2011, 06:02 PM

2:15 EST

About 15 more minutes before the announcement

Ah... I thought he was speaking at 1!

**corriffuniee** · 09-21-2011, 06:07 PM

Bernanke I mean...

Rabbi "Gentiles only exist to serve jews"

Divide and Conquer, Onward Christian Soldiers.

Gold is ticking down, LOL .

I am looking for a small entry for October drop but it ain't working out.

BREAKING NEWS

" Palestinians withdraw Statehood bid at UN. " Local news announcement just now.

**maniaringsq** · 09-21-2011, 06:16 PM

It is 2:15 EST right now.

Keep us updated please.

**Z2sc8gEz** · 09-21-2011, 06:29 PM

OPERATION TWIST IS OFFICIAL: FED TO SELL $400 BILLION OF SHORT-TERM DEBT, BUY $400 BILLION OF LONG-TERM DEBT

http://www.businessinsider.com/feder...n-twist-2011-9

The announcement is out: This is operation twist.
The Fed is selling $400 BILLION of short-term debt, and buying $400 billion of logn-term debt.
The full announcement is here.

**Z2sc8gEz** · 09-21-2011, 06:29 PM

I guess the idea is to push long term interest rates down at the expense of short term rates, but what good does this do? And just who is buying to $400b of short term debt the fed is selling?

**maniaringsq** · 09-21-2011, 06:31 PM

I don't get it.

What's the difference?

**Z2sc8gEz** · 09-21-2011, 06:33 PM

I don't get it.

What's the difference?

According to the official report straight from the fed:

This program should put downward pressure on longer-term interest rates and help make broader financial conditions more accommodative In other words, nothing really.

**artofeyyy** · 09-21-2011, 06:39 PM

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/operat...maturities-mbs

# FED TO BUY TREASURIES WITH 6-YEAR TO 30-YEAR REMAINING MATURITY
# FED LEAVES FEDERAL FUNDS RATE TARGET AT ZERO TO 0.25 PERCENT
# FED SAYS PROGRAM PUTS `DOWNWARD PRESSURE' ON LONG-TERM RATES
# FED TO SELL TREASURIES WITH 3-YEAR OR LESS REMAINING MATURITY
# PLOSSER, FISHER, KOCHERLAKOTA DISSENT FROM FOMC DECISION
# FED REPEATS `EXCEPTIONALLY LOW' RATES THROUGH AT LEAST MID-2013
# FED TO BUY $400B OF LONG-TERM DEBT, SELL $400B SHORT-TERM DEBT
# FED EXTENDS AVERAGE MATURITIES OF SECURITIES HOLDINGS
# FED TO REINVEST MATURING HOUSING ASSETS IN HOUSING DEBT
# FED SAYS INFLATION `APPEARS TO HAVE MODERATED'
# FED SEES `CONTINUING WEAKNESS' IN LABOR MARKET
# FED PURCHASES TO BE DISTRIBUTED ACROSS FIVE SECTORS
# FED SAYS 32% OF DEBT PURCHASES MATURE FROM 6- TO 8-YEARS
# FED SAYS 32% OF DEBT PURCHASES MATURE FROM 8- TO 10-YEARS
# FED SAYS 4% OF DEBT PURCHASES MATURE FROM 10- TO 20-YEARS

**Quvwcxqx** · 09-21-2011, 06:45 PM

I guess the idea is to push long term interest rates down at the expense of short term rates, but what good does this do? And just who is buying to $400b of short term debt the fed is selling?

Filthy rich.trillionares in the caymans

**Roamsaffots** · 09-21-2011, 06:47 PM

I guess the idea is to push long term interest rates down at the expense of short term rates, but what good does this do? And just who is buying to $400b of short term debt the fed is selling?

I think they expect the European and Japanese central banks to do that, with the dollars they created from thin air, and swapped for Euro's, Pound's and Yen's created out of equally thin air, just as these countries expect them to buy their bonds to support their crashing economies. The benefit of this arrangement is that it is slightly harder for someone not following their shenanigans to figure out that they have debased the currencies involved to finance the galloping deficits, and you can certainly count on the non-investigating journalists of ziomedia NOT to report on it.

The central bank swap a few days earlier was QE 2.5! Does anyone know how much they printed (figuratively speaking) and swapped?

**rojettafoxx** · 09-21-2011, 06:50 PM

The central bank swap a few days earlier was QE 2.5! Does anyone know how much they printed (figuratively speaking) and swapped?

I heard it was like $1.3 trillion or so in the last week ( 1 trillion euros = roughly 1.3 trillion dollars)

**Roamsaffots** · 09-21-2011, 06:58 PM

I heard it was like $1.3 trillion or so in the last week ( 1 trillion euros = roughly 1.3 trillion dollars)

So that is about twice as much as QE2 ($600B), which was bigger than QE1.5 ($500B), which was bigger than QE1 ($300B). Of course I am not counting the printing to cover the commercial papers default, but I don't have those figures in my head... One thing is clear though...

Monetization is accelerating!

**Z2sc8gEz** · 09-21-2011, 07:04 PM

I think they expect the European and Japanese central banks to do that, with the dollars they created from thin air, and swapped for Euro's, Pound's and Yen's created out of equally thin air, just as these countries expect them to buy their bonds to support their crashing economies. The benefit of this arrangement is that it is slightly harder for someone not following their shenanigans to figure out that they have debased the currencies involved to finance the galloping deficits, and you can certainly count on the non-investigating journalists of ziomedia NOT to report on it.

That was my thought too, so the net of it is an additional $400 bn out of thin air to buy long term treasury debt. $400 bn is lower than I thought it would be, I thought for sure it would be closer to a trillion.

The markets aren't really reacting strongly one way or the other. The dow is only down around 60 and metals are mixed.

**Roamsaffots** · 09-21-2011, 07:11 PM

That was my thought too, so the net of it is an additional $400 bn out of thin air to buy long term treasury debt. $400 bn is lower than I thought it would be, I thought for sure it would be closer to a trillion.

The markets aren't really reacting strongly one way or the other. The dow is only down around 60 and metals are mixed.

If Large sarge's number is correct, the European/Japan central banks have about 1.3 Trillion dollars to pump into treasuries or other securities, maybe more. And the fed has the equivalent to buy Euro, Yen, GBP and swissy paper...

**rojettafoxx** · 09-21-2011, 07:14 PM

By the way, i just have to say, I love the title of this thread "Ben the Protestant" has spoken

LOL

OMG

Alex Jones could do a side show carnival act, if his radio program failed...

"bernanke is a protestant"

**HawksBurnDown** · 09-21-2011, 07:25 PM

Anyone up for a game of three card monte?

**Roamsaffots** · 09-21-2011, 07:30 PM

Anyone up for a game of three card monte?

Thats exactly what it is!

**konanoileaski** · 09-21-2011, 07:55 PM

The markets didn't like it...Dow down 240.

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corriffuniee Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 582 Senior Member	Bernanke I mean... Rabbi "Gentiles only exist to serve jews" Divide and Conquer, Onward Christian Soldiers. Gold is ticking down, LOL . I am looking for a small entry for October drop but it ain't working out. BREAKING NEWS " Palestinians withdraw Statehood bid at UN. " Local news announcement just now. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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09-21-2011, 06:29 PM	#6
Z2sc8gEz Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 497 Senior Member	OPERATION TWIST IS OFFICIAL: FED TO SELL $400 BILLION OF SHORT-TERM DEBT, BUY $400 BILLION OF LONG-TERM DEBT http://www.businessinsider.com/feder...n-twist-2011-9 The announcement is out: This is operation twist. The Fed is selling $400 BILLION of short-term debt, and buying $400 billion of logn-term debt. The full announcement is here. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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maniaringsq Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 405 Senior Member	I don't get it. What's the difference? Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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09-21-2011, 06:33 PM	#9
Z2sc8gEz Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 497 Senior Member	I don't get it. What's the difference? According to the official report straight from the fed: This program should put downward pressure on longer-term interest rates and help make broader financial conditions more accommodative In other words, nothing really. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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artofeyyy Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 498 Senior Member	http://www.zerohedge.com/news/operat...maturities-mbs # FED TO BUY TREASURIES WITH 6-YEAR TO 30-YEAR REMAINING MATURITY # FED LEAVES FEDERAL FUNDS RATE TARGET AT ZERO TO 0.25 PERCENT # FED SAYS PROGRAM PUTS `DOWNWARD PRESSURE' ON LONG-TERM RATES # FED TO SELL TREASURIES WITH 3-YEAR OR LESS REMAINING MATURITY # PLOSSER, FISHER, KOCHERLAKOTA DISSENT FROM FOMC DECISION # FED REPEATS `EXCEPTIONALLY LOW' RATES THROUGH AT LEAST MID-2013 # FED TO BUY $400B OF LONG-TERM DEBT, SELL $400B SHORT-TERM DEBT # FED EXTENDS AVERAGE MATURITIES OF SECURITIES HOLDINGS # FED TO REINVEST MATURING HOUSING ASSETS IN HOUSING DEBT # FED SAYS INFLATION `APPEARS TO HAVE MODERATED' # FED SEES `CONTINUING WEAKNESS' IN LABOR MARKET # FED PURCHASES TO BE DISTRIBUTED ACROSS FIVE SECTORS # FED SAYS 32% OF DEBT PURCHASES MATURE FROM 6- TO 8-YEARS # FED SAYS 32% OF DEBT PURCHASES MATURE FROM 8- TO 10-YEARS # FED SAYS 4% OF DEBT PURCHASES MATURE FROM 10- TO 20-YEARS Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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09-21-2011, 06:45 PM	#11
Quvwcxqx Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 402 Senior Member	I guess the idea is to push long term interest rates down at the expense of short term rates, but what good does this do? And just who is buying to $400b of short term debt the fed is selling? Filthy rich.trillionares in the caymans Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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Roamsaffots Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 509 Senior Member	I guess the idea is to push long term interest rates down at the expense of short term rates, but what good does this do? And just who is buying to $400b of short term debt the fed is selling? I think they expect the European and Japanese central banks to do that, with the dollars they created from thin air, and swapped for Euro's, Pound's and Yen's created out of equally thin air, just as these countries expect them to buy their bonds to support their crashing economies. The benefit of this arrangement is that it is slightly harder for someone not following their shenanigans to figure out that they have debased the currencies involved to finance the galloping deficits, and you can certainly count on the non-investigating journalists of ziomedia NOT to report on it. The central bank swap a few days earlier was QE 2.5! Does anyone know how much they printed (figuratively speaking) and swapped? Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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09-21-2011, 06:50 PM	#13
rojettafoxx Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 384 Senior Member	The central bank swap a few days earlier was QE 2.5! Does anyone know how much they printed (figuratively speaking) and swapped? I heard it was like $1.3 trillion or so in the last week ( 1 trillion euros = roughly 1.3 trillion dollars) Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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09-21-2011, 06:58 PM	#14
Roamsaffots Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 509 Senior Member	I heard it was like $1.3 trillion or so in the last week ( 1 trillion euros = roughly 1.3 trillion dollars) So that is about twice as much as QE2 ($600B), which was bigger than QE1.5 ($500B), which was bigger than QE1 ($300B). Of course I am not counting the printing to cover the commercial papers default, but I don't have those figures in my head... One thing is clear though... Monetization is accelerating! Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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Z2sc8gEz Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 497 Senior Member	I think they expect the European and Japanese central banks to do that, with the dollars they created from thin air, and swapped for Euro's, Pound's and Yen's created out of equally thin air, just as these countries expect them to buy their bonds to support their crashing economies. The benefit of this arrangement is that it is slightly harder for someone not following their shenanigans to figure out that they have debased the currencies involved to finance the galloping deficits, and you can certainly count on the non-investigating journalists of ziomedia NOT to report on it. That was my thought too, so the net of it is an additional $400 bn out of thin air to buy long term treasury debt. $400 bn is lower than I thought it would be, I thought for sure it would be closer to a trillion. The markets aren't really reacting strongly one way or the other. The dow is only down around 60 and metals are mixed. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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Roamsaffots Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 509 Senior Member	That was my thought too, so the net of it is an additional $400 bn out of thin air to buy long term treasury debt. $400 bn is lower than I thought it would be, I thought for sure it would be closer to a trillion. The markets aren't really reacting strongly one way or the other. The dow is only down around 60 and metals are mixed. If Large sarge's number is correct, the European/Japan central banks have about 1.3 Trillion dollars to pump into treasuries or other securities, maybe more. And the fed has the equivalent to buy Euro, Yen, GBP and swissy paper... Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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rojettafoxx Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 384 Senior Member	By the way, i just have to say, I love the title of this thread "Ben the Protestant" has spoken LOL OMG Alex Jones could do a side show carnival act, if his radio program failed... "bernanke is a protestant" Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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konanoileaski Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 392 Senior Member	The markets didn't like it...Dow down 240. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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