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**Donadoni1809** · 11-23-2008, 04:41 AM

So I was asked to begin thinking about a topic for a lecture. The overall genre of the lecture given to me went something like..."something from the tribe vandeae".

Im trying to get my hands on a copy of Marty Motes Vandas, but honestly this is a section of orchids I never touch because of the light requirement...now I know that Ascocentrums are making some of them more house friendly...but as far as breeding trends or suggestions of avenues to begin my search, I'd appreciate any help that you all could offer.

Thanks all!

**Zwnkkvle** · 11-23-2008, 04:56 AM

Neos are from Vandeae tribe, aren't they? They are windowsill-friendly, fairly trendy right now and are used in some intergeneric hybrids like Ascofinetia and Neostylis that seem quite popular.

Not sure if that's helpful but good luck with your research and lecture.

**Mr_White** · 11-23-2008, 07:13 AM

I have grown some vandaeceous plant back in the Philippines but it is very hard for me to grow them here in Reno because of the high humidity and temperature requirements they need. If you look at the seedling offering of RF orchids, you might get a trend on what is being bred on this genus. You can see that the big flowered ascdas are still be being bred but they are now using the other lesser vandas and other vandaeceous species in to the gene pool. They are breeding for markings, fragrance, compactness and ease of growth. (ex. V. tesselata, denisoniana, luzonica, merilii, Aer. ceolestis, quinguevulnera, lawrencea, oderata and Neo. falcata.)

Hope this helps.

Ramon

**STYWOMBORGOSY** · 11-23-2008, 12:12 PM

Good luck!!!

I'm afraid I cannot help you with sth else...

**Donadoni1809** · 11-23-2008, 06:24 PM

So I did some research last night and realized that perhaps I asked my question without knowing enough about the topic. Vandeae has three subtribes Angraecinae, Sarcanthinae, and Aerangidinae. So Angraecums, Aerangis, Jumellea, Amesiella, Phals, Trichoglotis, Dimorphorchis (some one brought a D. lowii to judging the other night, what a neat plant), and about 30+ more genera are included. Geez, I could go a million different ways on this...Amesiella seems interesting. Two species, philippinense and monticola, the latter being discovered fairly recently, and with the hybrid of Ame. Sparkling Jewel between the two registered in 2003...Can anyone tell me if their are intergeneric hybrids using Amesiella? AQPlus doesn't seem to show any.

Ramon, funny, thats exactly what I did yesterday. Went to RF Orchids site and saw what was hot.

**Sensbachtal** · 11-23-2008, 07:20 PM

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**Mr_White** · 11-23-2008, 07:29 PM

There are only three intergineric hybrids that were made with Ami. philippinensis, Aml. Snow Gem (x Tubl. quisumbingii), Csl. Rose Bud (Crtn. fesselii) and Am. Snow Nymph (x Aergs. fastuosa).

Here is a link to the picture of Aml. Snow Gem http://flickr.com/photos/7327254@N05/487858468/

Hope this helps.

Ramon

**Azzi_Kahlila** · 11-23-2008, 08:35 PM

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**Azzi_Kahlila** · 11-23-2008, 08:38 PM

Opps, I missed one:

Aerangis fastuosa x Amesiella philippinensis = Amesangis Snow Nymph

**Donadoni1809** · 11-24-2008, 01:28 AM

Oh thanks! Im heading out of school right now. Gonna head home and pour over this for a bit.

11-23-2008, 04:41 AM	#1
Donadoni1809 Join Date Nov 2005 Posts 543 Senior Member	Paph forum, but vanda question.... So I was asked to begin thinking about a topic for a lecture. The overall genre of the lecture given to me went something like..."something from the tribe vandeae". Im trying to get my hands on a copy of Marty Motes Vandas, but honestly this is a section of orchids I never touch because of the light requirement...now I know that Ascocentrums are making some of them more house friendly...but as far as breeding trends or suggestions of avenues to begin my search, I'd appreciate any help that you all could offer. Thanks all! Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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Zwnkkvle Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 516 Senior Member	Neos are from Vandeae tribe, aren't they? They are windowsill-friendly, fairly trendy right now and are used in some intergeneric hybrids like Ascofinetia and Neostylis that seem quite popular. Not sure if that's helpful but good luck with your research and lecture. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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11-23-2008, 07:13 AM	#3
Mr_White Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 594 Senior Member	I have grown some vandaeceous plant back in the Philippines but it is very hard for me to grow them here in Reno because of the high humidity and temperature requirements they need. If you look at the seedling offering of RF orchids, you might get a trend on what is being bred on this genus. You can see that the big flowered ascdas are still be being bred but they are now using the other lesser vandas and other vandaeceous species in to the gene pool. They are breeding for markings, fragrance, compactness and ease of growth. (ex. V. tesselata, denisoniana, luzonica, merilii, Aer. ceolestis, quinguevulnera, lawrencea, oderata and Neo. falcata.) Hope this helps. Ramon Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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STYWOMBORGOSY Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 510 Senior Member	Good luck!!! I'm afraid I cannot help you with sth else... Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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11-23-2008, 06:24 PM	#5
Donadoni1809 Join Date Nov 2005 Posts 543 Senior Member	So I did some research last night and realized that perhaps I asked my question without knowing enough about the topic. Vandeae has three subtribes Angraecinae, Sarcanthinae, and Aerangidinae. So Angraecums, Aerangis, Jumellea, Amesiella, Phals, Trichoglotis, Dimorphorchis (some one brought a D. lowii to judging the other night, what a neat plant), and about 30+ more genera are included. Geez, I could go a million different ways on this...Amesiella seems interesting. Two species, philippinense and monticola, the latter being discovered fairly recently, and with the hybrid of Ame. Sparkling Jewel between the two registered in 2003...Can anyone tell me if their are intergeneric hybrids using Amesiella? AQPlus doesn't seem to show any. Ramon, funny, thats exactly what I did yesterday. Went to RF Orchids site and saw what was hot. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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Mr_White Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 594 Senior Member	There are only three intergineric hybrids that were made with Ami. philippinensis, Aml. Snow Gem (x Tubl. quisumbingii), Csl. Rose Bud (Crtn. fesselii) and Am. Snow Nymph (x Aergs. fastuosa). Here is a link to the picture of Aml. Snow Gem http://flickr.com/photos/7327254@N05/487858468/ Hope this helps. Ramon Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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11-23-2008, 08:38 PM	#9
Azzi_Kahlila Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 658 Senior Member	Opps, I missed one: Aerangis fastuosa x Amesiella philippinensis = Amesangis Snow Nymph Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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11-24-2008, 01:28 AM	#10
Donadoni1809 Join Date Nov 2005 Posts 543 Senior Member	Oh thanks! Im heading out of school right now. Gonna head home and pour over this for a bit. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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