[Broorbbub]

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[Broorbbub]

So...??!!? Ithought the mods were supposed the mature ones here...
Secretly changing links, and refusing to give a reason why doesn't fit in that picture.

What makes my link worse than the one in the opening post? Why can't i illustrate my opinion on ethics in an ethics-dedicated thread?

I'm starting to have the feeling that this board is only for self-righteous goody-2-shoes, and that different opinions are not appreciated here.

Seems small-minded and arbitrary to me. Most people here are (too) easily offended....

[BiseCreesia]

I apologize if you feel I was unjust in removing a loop of a 9/11 victim jumping to their death from one of the Twin Towers. If you want to play that "sick but beautiful" angle, that's your prerogative, but keep your twisted sensibility between you and your art student friends. Because in my opinion--and the opinion of many others, I'm sure--was that it was a twisted exploitation of one of the worst tragedies in the history of my country. So forgive me for finding it distasteful. I'm sorry I seem to have offended you, but to be quite frank that's a little ironic coming from someone who seems to derive joy from pushing people's buttons.

[Broorbbub]

I never said I was offended, I was just wondering what reason you might have to maintain a link to a video showing the 9-11 attacks accompanied by a humourously intended video-game soundbite, while erasing mine, which you just described so adequately.
To be honest I'm still wondering...

If I would have called it offensive and distasteful, and brainlessly gone with general opinion, would you also have changed it?

Footage from the destruction camps in WWII is also disturbing. So I guess you'd like to destroy that too? So that everybody forgets and history repeats itself?
Well, I guess from your point of view Schindler's List is also twisted exploitation then...

[BiseCreesia]

I had to read that twice to make sure that you really tried to equate someone falling from a building set to the tune of Tom Petty with Schindler's List. Bravo, sir.

[Broorbbub]

And chapeau to you for constantly evading my main question...
Why is footage of the attacks set to a soundbite from a video game ("Game over, Yeahhhh!!!") considered appropriate then in the same thread?? Is it really the clip, or is it just my opinion that offends you?
And about the Schindler´s list comparison....
IMO both show the human drama inherently connected to these acts of violence in a dramatized way.

[Broorbbub]

dude, this discussion is loosing its momentum...
if it's really that difficult for you to answer my question, maybe you should just admit that your decision to change my posts was not objective, but driven by personal antipathy.

[HwoRas1]

Can't beat a bit of Slick Rick Astley!

Anywho... Puff, I don't think anybodies arguing that these massive human tradegies shouldn't be remembered - but they should be remembered in a tastful and sensitive fashion. There is nothing beautiful about someone forced into a situation where there choices are to burn to death or throw themselves from a skyscraper ---- damn sure they weren't thinking about Tom Petty when they were phoning their wives and children to say they were about to die, and if it's just peoples movement through the air that you find beautiful then watch some bonafide base jumpers : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttz5oPpF1Js ... also the fact you have art student friends that see this is art lends no weight to your argument... I have a friend thats a first-aider, doesn't mean to say he knows a posterior interventricular artery from the hypophyseal portal system.....

The sega rally clip is slightly easier for most people to stomach for obvious reasons, if you don't get why then I'm guessing you a part of the generation that grew up watching films like 'Saw' at the age of 14?

I also don't agree that it's okay to joke about anything - freedom of speech is one thing, but that doesn't make it okay to be moronically insensitve about something. Driving a crap car, that's something to joke about, getting caught inadvertantly opening an 'adult' spam e-mail at work, stuff like that no-one can really take offense to, but when 1000's of innocent people are murdered, no - freedom of speech should just take second place to respect. I don't know anyone was involved in 9/11 (or the holocaust), so if somebody was telling a joke about it, I'd just think they were a twat, and not funny... if someone told a joke about my mum having cancer I kick seven shades of sh*t out of them.

and oh yeah... CSS FAQ: All actions and decisions of the Admins and Mods are final. The admins reserve the right too lock any post, reopen any post and edit out any inapproprite things in posts.

Just my opinion, and I've tried to attack the post, not the poster.

Now I'm off to listen to Full Moon Fever.

[comprar-espana]

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[Broorbbub]

So I guess there's a limit to the offensiveness of 9/11 videos in the "offensive 9/11 video thread"?
This is not about right or wrong, but about where you put the line in a thread that´s `all wrong`, which is naturally a gray area.
I think a lot of people would find the Sega Rally video at least as offensive as the Tom Petty one, because the Sega Rally one is clearly a (poor) attempt to make people laugh. With the Tom Petty one I never had the feeling that the maker intended to make people laugh. Of course i think it is very shocking, we all agree on that. And it's even disrespectful. (that's why i posted it here, look at the title of this thread).
The whole art discussion is another thing. Before we had photography and recordable music, violent historic events and important deaths were depicted by great painters in an overly dramatized way, trying to make them as shocking and offensive as thought possible in that time. Surely you think it´s wrong to look at those paintings too, and those painters are sick and twisted? I bet a lot of people in that time would have agreed with you. Yet, now we all think it is art, because those are the only pictures strong enough to still make us feel some of the horror. Those paintings are generally considered beautiful...

In a thread which is about offensive videos, and where people know what they can expect when they click a link, I myself would expect the line to be where legal ends, and illegal starts.
Seeing a 1000 people die at the same time in a building from 3000ft is easier to swallow than seeing one person drop to death from 300ft? Let´s hope none of us ever have to make that choice

Anyway, i guess we´ll always disagree on some things, but that does that make me `insensitive` and `ignorant`? or am i just not as sensitive to certain things as you, and do i draw the line in a different part of the gray area? http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi..._le_peuple.jpg

[realfan87]

This thread isn't a "share offensive material" thread. It was a thread to comment on how disrespectful and insensitive that video was. You keep adding to it in an utterly tasteless fashion.

[BiseCreesia]

Are we still arguing over this? Puff, to answer your question it wasn't so much a matter of content as it was context. 2o6 posted the original video with the intent of pointing out that it was in very poor taste; this was never a thread "about offensive videos" per se but rather an observation on 2o6's part that some people just have no shame. And it certainly wasn't an invitation to post similar videos despite what "merit" you personally may see in them. Again, that is your prerogative and I'm not here to make judgments about your taste; I simply thought that given the original nature of the thread, posting that video and making a case for its artistic value was inappropriate. At the very least, there are better venues to debate that sort of thing. It was certainly not a decision "driven by personal antipathy"; don't flatter yourself.

[Broorbbub]

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[HwoRas1]

Puff,

The paintings would not be classed as being as horrific (if at all) because they are 're-creations', what you are seeing is one persons idea of what happened, probably inaccuratley with alot of 'artistic license' ! With a video or photo you are seeing what ACTUALLY happened, a painting is just someones imagination, or recollection.. and they are inherantley more artistic because they require a far greater degree of skill to pull off. To point a camera at a plane crashing into a building is just right time, right place. To spend weeks creating an oil on canvas image of something is alot harder, and therefore should be given more respect.

[Broorbbub]

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[Broorbbub]

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