[orison]

Cozz, I really appreciate your technical evaluation of pros and cons between the chrysler and the Nissan. Can you tell me anything about the Mazda?

[Mqcawkzd]

Living in NYC? While there on business, my mates and I constantly discuss what car to have if we lived there. We always come to the same conclusion: The cheapest, least-desirable piece of garbage that we could find so we wouldn't care what happened to it. Somebody hits you: what's another dent? Somebody breaks into it: the radio got stolen months ago. Potholes: struts are shot anyway. City tows it: fahgeddaboudit!

[FjFHQLJQ]

Yep, that's reasonable - However, as a family car, I'm sure Santeno will appreciate good safety and peace of mind. Also, I assume Santeno will have a hard time convincing the missus that an old beat up car is the best.
That, and its also nice to have a cool new car

[Mqcawkzd]

Quote, originally posted by Superfresa »
That, and its also nice to have a cool new car
That's what the guy who steals it will chuckle to himself...just like Belmondo in Breathless.
I've got it! A nice 1996 - 2000 or so Olds Bravada. Nobody will want to take it, the cabins are fairly stuffed with doodads, a couple dents may actually make it look better, and you probably have the purchase price on you in cash right now. Slap one of those stickers of Calvin peeing on a Red Sox logo and you're aces high.

[johnbeller]

Sounds like your going to buy the car outright but if you consider leasing, we recently looked at the FX35 and it was almost as cheap to lease as a Murano, but you get soooo much more for your money. Just something to consider, although I don't think you would ever regret the Murano. Prooven quality and timeless looks.

[Glipseagrilia]

Quote, originally posted by Santeno »Cozz, I really appreciate your technical evaluation of pros and cons between the chrysler and the Nissan. Can you tell me anything about the Mazda?
I worked on them. At least one for sure. It's actually a very good car. I bit cheapy on plastics, more so than the Pacifica and Murano. Some people either are 50/50 with the exterior (C piller). If you like the style then I would jump on it because the Nissan theft/break in rate. Also, the Murano is due for a change soon. And most Nissan's like my Pathfinder are known for interior noise (wind and motor). I think your insurance will be cheapest with the Mazda.
A notable mention is the Ford Escape. It has the highest reviews of any new small SUV. If you're like me then you'll double think Ford. Just jump to a 4WD instead on a AWD to save gas if that's an option for you on any car.
But out of the three I would get the Mazda.

[orison]

Vlatva. Please stop being so ignorant.
For your information, I've had two new BMW's at different times while living in this city. My cousin has had two BMWs and a Range rover. None of these cars has been beat-up, a POS or broken into. The worst thing that ever happen to any of them while driving in NYC, was that my cousin got the bumper of his X5 scratched by some idiot who didn't know how to park. He did total his 3 series and the Range, but on both occassions that happened by being rear ended while parked at a red light. Both of those accidents took place in suburban central New Jersey.
I appreciate the advice Vlatva, but Fresa is right. This is supposed to be a family car in which a baby and my wife will be relatively safe. Your recommendation only shows how little you know about my city or the needs that I requested people keep in mind while giving recommendations. If you aren't going to help then please don't post nonsense.

[orison]

Quote, originally posted by Cozz »I worked on them. At least one for sure. It's actually a very good car. I bit cheapy on plastics, more so than the Pacifica and Murano. Some people either are 50/50 with the exterior (C piller). If you like the style then I would jump on it because the Nissan theft/break in rate. Also, the Murano is due for a change soon. And most Nissan's like my Pathfinder are known for interior noise (wind and motor). I think your insurance will be cheapest with the Mazda.
A notable mention is the Ford Escape. It has the highest reviews of any new small SUV. If you're like me then you'll double think Ford. Just jump to a 4WD instead on a AWD to save gas if that's an option for you on any car.
But out of the three I would get the Mazda.
Excellent. So you too like the Mazda huh? Size aside, how would you compare the CX-7 to the Pacifica? You know things like practicality, overall quality, safety, etc.
Thanks guys for all the help thus far.

[FjFHQLJQ]

So, What colour did you order your new Mazda? Why am I so convinced you'll get the Mazda even if you aren't 100% convinced? (assuming you aren't)? Can't wait to see if I am right

[orison]

I do like that one. I really don't know what color. Maybe red, black, or perhaps electric blue or eggplant with a tan interior. If I end up buying the Pacifica or the Nissan, then that might depend on what's available in the arrangement we end up deciding.

[ClapekDodki]

Quote, originally posted by Cozz »
I worked on them. At least one for sure. It's actually a very good car. I bit cheapy on plastics, more so than the Pacifica and Murano. Some people either are 50/50 with the exterior (C piller). If you like the style then I would jump on it because the Nissan theft/break in rate. Also, the Murano is due for a change soon. And most Nissan's like my Pathfinder are known for interior noise (wind and motor). I think your insurance will be cheapest with the Mazda.
A notable mention is the Ford Escape. It has the highest reviews of any new small SUV. If you're like me then you'll double think Ford. Just jump to a 4WD instead on a AWD to save gas if that's an option for you on any car.
But out of the three I would get the Mazda.The new Escape is really nice, and it looks somewhat classy.

[Master_B]

Quote, originally posted by Santeno »
and as for the escape, We looked at them and the wife doesn't like them (too truck-like)

...i'd say he's definately not going to get an escape.

i'd get the mazda, just my 2 cents.

[Lhiistyssdds]

If not an Escape then how about an Edge? It's Mazda DNA and the Ford dealer is probably desperate enough for sales to really deal. My problem with the Escape is that it is last-decade engineering with a new nose.

[Glipseagrilia]

Quote, originally posted by mzoltarp »If not an Escape then how about an Edge? It's Mazda DNA and the Ford dealer is probably desperate enough for sales to really deal. My problem with the Escape is that it is last-decade engineering with a new nose.
Maybe in style engineering becuase everything else is state of the art. Very Japanese like electronics.

[Lhiistyssdds]

Quote, originally posted by Cozz »
Maybe in style engineering becuase everything else is state of the art. Very Japanese like electronics.
Really? The Escape was introduced in 2001 which means it probably began development in about 1997-98. The refreshed Escape is pretty much the 2001 model with a new nose. Most parts aft the nose are interchangeable. If state-of-the-art is 1998 vintage-or even 2001-so be it.

[buIf6yoW]

if you get the CX-7, get it in a color, not black, white, silver etc because the rear lights look so much better when the car is in an actual color. my dad wanted the light blue but it was so popular that they didnt have any in stock so he let me choose which color and since we just had a red car, the copper orange-red wouldnt do so i picked the electric blue.
the cx-7 has a 5star crash safety rating and 6 standard airbags

[orison]

Quote, originally posted by StevenZoz »The cx-7 has a 5star crash safety rating and 6 standard airbags
That's what I wanted to hear. I gather you mean 2 front and 4 side right.
BTW, thanks to all of you for the additional suggestions, but we've already narrowed it to these three models. I'm not really considering anything else beyond these three and I'm only asking for comparative advice between them.

[ayWCZ7VT]

not exactly. the way I understand it, it's 2 front, 2 front-side and "air curtains" for front and back. But the front needs them more than the rear because in a side impact, the front passengers experience higher deceleration forces than the passengers in the rear seat.
http://www.mazdausa.com/MusaWe...e=CX7
BTW, I didn't know there is a Sport version, so that may be the one with the bad ride...I guess u might want to go for Touring instead.
NHTSA did give it 5 stars for side impacts as well tho. http://www.safercar.gov/Cars/3843.html

[Lhiistyssdds]

In that case go get the Mazda tomorrow. It's the right vehicle and when I was a new dad, the car that my daughter rode in had to have the safety bells and whistles.

[Glipseagrilia]

Quote, originally posted by mzoltarp »
Really? The Escape was introduced in 2001 which means it probably began development in about 1997-98. The refreshed Escape is pretty much the 2001 model with a new nose. Most parts aft the nose are interchangeable. If state-of-the-art is 1998 vintage-or even 2001-so be it.
Can-Bus data network via OBD-II. Ignition wires are computer controlled and not high current like old cars. The list goes on and on. Some japanese cars still run old high current ignition wire setup. Most American cars first used the ECU igintion system. Chrysler arm is king of very little wires.