[Idonnaink]

I'm going to let Sparafucil take care of this one.

You're both right. American history is laden with evidence of both British and French influence. It doesn't seem like there's a real argument here though. There is no doubt in my mind that British traditions and culture more heavily influence our nation. I'm not sure how anyone with even a slight grasp of American history could make a worthwhile argument against that notion. Not even the venerable Spar A. Fucile.

Plus, don't let someone else fight your battles for you... weaksauce.

[Grizli]

You're comparing two turds there, they're both ****.

You're also stuck with thinking that popular = good. It doesn't. People loved VHS, another turd. People like VW Beetles, more turds. If you're happy listening to Jay-Z then go for it. I'm not stopping you or saying that people shouldn't listen to what they like, but to say it's good just because lots of people listen to it is ridiculous.

But saying you don't like something because you think it's bad doesn't mean it is.

[pkxlugbsbv]

Actually you are saying that incorrectly. The US would not have existed without France.

You're talking about the war of independence or the seven years war in which we were on the same side against the French?

Either way - France was always being ****ing annoying

[RilmAlime67]

I guess a lot of people failed their American history class. France did play a major role fighting alongside the Americans, against the British armies. Just saying.

[glopomcyte]

I guess a lot of people failed their American history class. France did play a major role fighting alongside the Americans, against the British armies. Just saying.

It's a bit pointless anyway, if you go back far enough in history then pretty much every nation has fought both with and against nearly every other nation.

[smazibummigue]

I think one thing we can all agree on here, Liberals and Yuman rites asshats are destroying both our countries.

[RilmAlime67]

It's a bit pointless anyway, if you go back far enough in history then pretty much every nation has fought both with and against nearly every other nation.

I'll give you that, I was saying though because Icemanchilled seemed to think France had nothing to do with American independance.

[Aleksis]

france , spain and the dutch republic were sending ammo and supplies to the revolutionaries as early as 1776 , and openly came out in support with regualr troops (france) in 1778 after the battle of saratoga - in europe an invasion of england was directly threatened by spain which and a number of european land battles forced breat britains hand and tested its strength.... ofc we all know what happened next

[AliceFromHouston]

I'll give you that, I was saying though because Icemanchilled seemed to think France had nothing to do with American independance.

I never said any such thing. I said:

ofc we all know what happened next

Was it, "The kicking of mucho ass"?

[smazibummigue]

I suppose the biggest irony for a Country so hot to tackle terrorism is they forget that terrorism and guerilla tactics were the founding blocks for their country before organised military efforts began in earnest, oops sorry they won so it's patriotism instead.

[TagBahthuff]

I suppose the biggest irony for a Country so hot to tackle terrorism is they forget that terrorism and guerilla tactics were the founding blocks for their country before organised military efforts began in earnest, oops sorry they won so it's patriotism instead.

Yeah.... the colonists weren't attacking civilians and beheading them. The Americans used hit an run tactics alongside the targeting of officers in their battle. These tactics are not even close to modern day terrorism; you clearly need to brush up on your history.

Edit: I removed my insult calling you a tool, but after rereading your post I now find it to be applicable. Tool.

[dremucha]

Yeah.... the colonists weren't attacking civilians and beheading them. The Americans used hit an run tactics alongside the targeting of officers in their battle. These tactics are not even close to modern day terrorism; you clearly need to brush up on your history.

Edit: I removed my insult calling you a tool, but after rereading your post I now find it to be applicable. Tool.

Ummm... isn't that how modern day terrorism and gorilla warfare can also work? ie targeting officers and others of importance, hit and run, ambush etc. If you think early American's used perfectly nice tactics then I'd think again.

[Aleksis]

shall we start with the french attempts of driving the british out of the america`s - aka the 7 year war?

or the tarring and feathering of those anti rebellion? or what about the antics of Judge Lynch? or the invasion of canada to hunt down civilians and throw them into the sea because they chose not to rebel?


dont have selective choice of history - unless the black times of the war of independance isnt taught in american schools....

[TagBahthuff]

Ummm... isn't that how modern day terrorism and gorilla warfare can also work? ie targeting officers and others of importance, hit and run, ambush etc. If you think early American's used perfectly nice tactics then I'd think again.

No, that is modern warfare. The targeting of civilians with suicide and car bombs with the sole intent to maim and kill is terrorism. I'm pretty well educated in US history and I'm well aware of the reprehensible things my country has done, however the Revolutionary war doesn't even come close to falling into that category. It doesn't sound like you know what modern day terrorism is. Try wiki.

shall we start with the french attempts of driving the british out of the america`s - aka the 7 year war?

The Americans fought alongside the British...
or the tarring and feathering of those anti rebellion? or what about the antics of Judge Lynch? or the invasion of canada to hunt down civilians and throw them into the sea because they chose not to rebel?


dont have selective choice of history - unless the black times of the war of independance isnt taught in american schools.... All I'm arguing is that American tactics during the Revolution were no where close to modern terrorism. During war all sides commit atrocities.

[taesrom]

I was referring more to the heavy French influence from the 1860s to early 1900s.

[Aleksis]

the israelies were the first real case of `modern terrorism` with the bombing and murders of the king david hotel.

[TagBahthuff]

the israelies were the first real case of `modern terrorism` with the bombing and murders of the king david hotel.

I agree. You are no longer a joke, but a more reasonable man than I.

[Aleksis]

war is about missions , objectives and body counts - honour and chivalry are buried in the distant past; and even then , look at the sacking of jerusalem during the crusades (all 3 times) , which would then consigne the notion of honour and chivalry to the dustbin.

[wheettebott]

I don't know what you're all arguing for. God created us all when you look at it so it's all down to God.

[Sukadrukanga]

I see, so how far back are we willing to go in this past tense game? We've been doing this shite for centuries you see.

Congrats on the dwarfing though.

He said a thousand years dammit. Now get on wiki!