[Thomas12400]

Games have improved as well though. I remember when I used to run top hardware all of the time, GF3, 9700 Pro, even with the top of the line cards... you had to OC if you wanted games to run maxed, and keep great frame rates. Now, you can have CPUs and video cards a few steps down from the top, or even a generation behind that run games at high resolutions with things maxed out. 8800 series? I wouldn't write off 3DMark though, those teasers have me every bit as excited as I was for 2001 to be released, it looks like something new and different.