[myhackingtosh_ws]

Anyone heard about ACN? One of my high school best friend called me yesterday after 3-4 years without any news... He picked me up at my apartment with his brand new Lexus IS-F 2009. He told me he also has a Mercedez SLK 2008 & Honda S2000 2006. (He's 23 years old btw)

Then we went to a restaurant and he started talking about a telecomunication company named ACN. What he has to do is simply recruit people to join the "company" then these guys have to recruit 5 more people each and etc.. etc... It cost 500$ to "join" them then I can start selling phones to my entourage and start making profit. Apparently he's making 15 000$ per month. This sound pretty much like a pyramid scheme but apparently it's legal here...

Today he picked me up again and we went to the airport to see one of his friend. Finally his "friend" (who's also invovled in ACN) bought an aircraft (Cessna 172) last year... So we fly over my city for a good hour. And they kept telling me how ACN changed their life and how good it is.

I must say I'm quite tempted to join this "company" but I'd like to hear what you think of all of this first...

[BitStillrhile]

Stay as far away from this as you can. This type of "business" is pretty common. They are going to scam you for every cent they can. It starts with $500 to get in. Then it's another $1000 to buy the sales brochures, then $500 for this $2000 for this. It always starts out the same too. Old friend calls you up randomly, wines and dines, to just help you out.

If you have half a sense, stay away.

[EtellaObtaite]

google seems to have mixed responses both saying its legit, both sayings its a scam. i would be willing to be bet its just people who made money vs those those who did, although it seems that a lot of people are in fact vouching for them which makes it more legit than any 'pyramid scam' i have ever read about.

i wouldnt do it, not only because i dont have that kind of spare money but i also dont believe in free ipods either.
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[AndrewBoss]

We're talking about ACN Communication Services INC right? OCN's 513B and 986A

ACN is a legitimate telecom business. They're a CLEC reseller. I know they work out of at least Florida and Las Vegas which are 2 of our bigger markets.

I'm a little confused. Did he give you a website about this? I don't see how a CLEC reseller is going to make cash with a pyramid scheme.

Edit: Hmm. I wonder if I signed any legal agreements against joining this. I'm sure there's probably something against moonlighting for the competition. :P I'd rather keep my current job, but it does sound interesting.


You could probably start your own CLEC business if you wanted to. But ACN would make it easier. If you did it solo as your own business you'd have to sign contracts with various ILEC's, and it's probably a paperwork nightmare. Wonder if you can resell more than just POTS service...

[myhackingtosh_ws]

Stay as far away from this as you can. This type of "business" is pretty common. They are going to scam you for every cent they can. It starts with $500 to get in. Then it's another $1000 to buy the sales brochures, then $500 for this $2000 for this. It always starts out the same too. Old friend calls you up randomly, wines and dines, to just help you out.

If you have half a sense, stay away.

This is what I was thinking first but I must say it's hard to not believe them with all their arguments & all...

[AndrewBoss]

This is what I was thinking first but I must say it's hard to not believe them with all their arguments & all...

What, exactly, did your friend tell you to do to get the money? Just recruiting people obviously won't earn you the money. I'm sure you actually have to do some kind of sales work right...?

[myhackingtosh_ws]

What, exactly, did your friend tell you to do to get the money? Just recruiting people obviously won't earn you the money. I'm sure you actually have to do some kind of sales work right...?

He was very vague about this. From what I can understand I give him 500$ to have my "start up kit" (Brochure, plastic card, information DVD etc...) then I can start recruting everyone in my entourage to join ACN by selling them the phone and all the accessories releated to it.

[AndrewBoss]

He was very vague about this. From what I can understand I give him 500$ to have my "start up kit" (Brochure, plastic card, information DVD etc...) then I can start recruting everyone in my entourage to join ACN by selling them the phone and all the accessories releated to it.

Can you ONLY sell to people who also join ACN? If so, then it's a complete waste of your money. If you can sign up ANYONE for ACN's phone service, like door to door sales, calling business, etc. then you DO have potential for profit. If not then walk away now.

From what I saw on their website it sounds like you can sell to anyone, but there was a lot of crap to look through and I didn't feel like reading it all. Any buy-in system where you can sell to people has profit potential. But depending on your skills as a salesman, and the market you're in, you could end up profiting or losing the $500 start-up.

Plenty of people made good money selling Kirby and Rainbow vacuums. But you have to be good at sales and dedicated to it.

Also, I saw something about an annual fee you have to pay. Not sure what it was all about, but it's somewhere in all that legalese.

I wouldn't call it a scam exactly.. just something that probably isn't worth the time and money. Some people will get lucky, grab a bunch of customers, and make some cash. Most people will probably get nowhere.



Also, are you just selling that retarded video thingy, or are you selling them dialtone too? If you're selling dialtone, especially to business, that's not THAT bad. But if you have to sell some shitty videophone to get a sale.. forget it.

Why did I want to quit being a rep? I could sign up customers no problem, it's just ACN Customer service couldn't retain them. I had 4 different situations where my customers (who didn't know eachother, so couldn't collaberate) had rude service when they called to ask a question. ACN was still charging them after they had switched to a new phone service. That and my customers bills ended up being more than we thought it would be, hidden charges. Made me look like a fool, since I was the one selling it to them. Found that in rip off report. IMO stay away from it. I had concerns about how they operated, and what your role would be in the company. That right there lets me know that you have no control over anything. Not worth it. You can't support your sales, you don't get a hand in the billing, just sounds bad overall from what I'm reading of complaints.

[myhackingtosh_ws]

Can you ONLY sell to people who also join ACN? If so, then it's a complete waste of your money. If you can sign up ANYONE for ACN's phone service, like door to door sales, calling business, etc. then you DO have potential for profit. If not then walk away now.

From what I saw on their website it sounds like you can sell to anyone, but there was a lot of crap to look through and I didn't feel like reading it all. Any buy-in system where you can sell to people has profit potential. But depending on your skills as a salesman, and the market you're in, you could end up profiting or losing the $500 start-up.

Plenty of people made good money selling Kirby and Rainbow vacuums. But you have to be good at sales and dedicated to it.

Also, I saw something about an annual fee you have to pay. Not sure what it was all about, but it's somewhere in all that legalese.

I wouldn't call it a scam exactly.. just something that probably isn't worth the time and money. Some people will get lucky, grab a bunch of customers, and make some cash. Most people will probably get nowhere.



Also, are you just selling that retarded video thingy, or are you selling them dialtone too? If you're selling dialtone, especially to business, that's not THAT bad. But if you have to sell some shitty videophone to get a sale.. forget it.

If I remember correctly I can sell to anyone I want. I think they're selling Dialtone, Videophone, Mobile, Internet, VOIP phone and soon Television But like you said you'd better be a excellent salesman with LOTS of friends & contacts to succes in this type of business!

[AndrewBoss]

If I remember correctly I can sell to anyone I want. I think they're selling Dialtone, Videophone, Mobile, Internet, VOIP phone and soon Television But like you said you'd better be a excellent salesman with LOTS of friends & contacts to succes in this type of business!

I read more into their fine print and such. Plain and simple.. it's a scam.

It's a giant MLM Pyramid scheme where you make money by recruiting new people. Rather than finding some poor schmuck to sell phone service to you won't make money unless you find a guy who wants to buy a $500 starter kit.

Residual income? Pennies on the customer. Cold calling? NO. They specifically prohibit cold calling and they can boot you out and not pay you if they catch you doing it. They'll keep the customers obviously.

Too much BS in their rules. There's no enough sales freedom and income potential unless you're doing what your buddy was doing and sell the $500 kit to people. You don't even really get sales crap until you get to the "bonus" level, which means you can't even profit until you sell the $500 kit to people.

The more I read the less I like them. Once you dig beyond the surface it's a lead brick with gold paint. If I had sales freedom I could dig through tariffs and sell products to customers at a decent profit margin.. but they don't run like that. My understanding is you sell their products, at their prices, and receive a pitiful commission until you get to a certain RVP level or some crap (by selling $500 kits) and then you get bonuses for selling stuff.

If I read it right you don't get bonuses on sales until you're a "TC". A TC requries "3" people to buy their $500 kit and then EACH of those 3 people has to collect "200 points". So you have to get 3 guys to EACH make like 100 sales per, and then you get to earn money or something. ****'s convoluted and crappy. It all hinges on your ability to recruit people into ACN, not your ability to sell to people. It's just plain retarded.

Rent a nice car, find a guy with a plane who is willing to work for a cut, and then line up suckers to recruit into "the company". I think you do get some commission as a newbie, but it's crap. I could be misreading it, but it looks like if you were to sell $2000 worth of contracted products you'd get 1% of that. So $20. So after you sell $50,000 you get back your $500.

[Anckzxik]

Keep WELL clear!
My friend was interested in something like this, but he did not have to pay them money for it.
It basically starts out with you going door to door selling. You'll have to hit steep numbers and it'll take you a LONG while to get to the stage they got at - thats even if they had to hit that stage, they could be co-founders or advertisers of the company so it all looks great.

Whenever a job requires you to pay the company, tell them where to go [yes]

[AndrewBoss]

It basically starts out with you going door to door selling.

And let's not forget you can get booted out for doing that. No cold calls are allowed. :P

[Tryphadz]

Kind of reminds me of that hell joke...

you know the one where the bloke dies and has the choice between heaven and hell.

and he chooses hell because it looked better than heaven but when he gets there it wasnt what he saw when he was shown when he had the guided tour by the devil.

[kjanyeaz1]

It's a pyramid scheme you dolt, I could drive you to their world headquarters right off of I-696 and show you an empty building.

Can't believe people can't see the BS like two miles away...yeah what kind of job offer makes you PAY to join? People need to learn how to think

[myhackingtosh_ws]

I read more into their fine print and such. Plain and simple.. it's a scam.

It's a giant MLM Pyramid scheme where you make money by recruiting new people. Rather than finding some poor schmuck to sell phone service to you won't make money unless you find a guy who wants to buy a $500 starter kit.

Residual income? Pennies on the customer. Cold calling? NO. They specifically prohibit cold calling and they can boot you out and not pay you if they catch you doing it. They'll keep the customers obviously.

Too much BS in their rules. There's no enough sales freedom and income potential unless you're doing what your buddy was doing and sell the $500 kit to people. You don't even really get sales crap until you get to the "bonus" level, which means you can't even profit until you sell the $500 kit to people.

The more I read the less I like them. Once you dig beyond the surface it's a lead brick with gold paint. If I had sales freedom I could dig through tariffs and sell products to customers at a decent profit margin.. but they don't run like that. My understanding is you sell their products, at their prices, and receive a pitiful commission until you get to a certain RVP level or some crap (by selling $500 kits) and then you get bonuses for selling stuff.

If I read it right you don't get bonuses on sales until you're a "TC". A TC requries "3" people to buy their $500 kit and then EACH of those 3 people has to collect "200 points". So you have to get 3 guys to EACH make like 100 sales per, and then you get to earn money or something. ****'s convoluted and crappy. It all hinges on your ability to recruit people into ACN, not your ability to sell to people. It's just plain retarded.

Rent a nice car, find a guy with a plane who is willing to work for a cut, and then line up suckers to recruit into "the company". I think you do get some commission as a newbie, but it's crap. I could be misreading it, but it looks like if you were to sell $2000 worth of contracted products you'd get 1% of that. So $20. So after you sell $50,000 you get back your $500.

yes RainWind this is exactly what it is. IIRC the commission you get is only 1% until you reach TC Level. Only at this level you start making money. (500-1000$ per month) I and think it took 3 years to my "friend" to reach TC level at Full Time. He now left his normal day job to fully concentrate on ACN. I'm sure he'll do well since he seems like a good salesman however I don't believe in Easy Money and it's all sounded too good to be true with all the Fancy Cars & Airplane lol! They make you believe it wont take time to get rich when it's actually not the case...

This is what I've found: http://www.acninc.com/acn/us/acn-trump.html

Do you think the fact that Donald Trump is endorsing ACN is helping them out? So who's this guy anyway? I've heard about him a bit in the past but not much...