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Old 05-17-2009, 09:32 AM   #1
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Old 05-17-2009, 05:44 PM   #2
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Call it a paradox or call it what it is cheap story telling but taking into account the effect of Kirk's fathers death would have on Star Fleet assignments and rosters and the effect it would have personally on Kirk what are the odds the exact same crew would end up on the deck of the exact same star ship? There's you basic definition of a paradox, a situation which defies intuition. As BatesD pointed out you have to resolve a disruption of the time line due to the devastating effects it has but in this time line it made everything work out perfectly? No paradox. Give me a break.

There is a complete back story to everyone of the characters in ST:TOS but they couldn't deal with any of that so they had to throw them all onto the frickin Enterprise straight out of the academy and put them all into there exact same positions before they day was out. The characters are the franchise (otherwise it would be simple enough to put another crew on another ship and tell there story) and in this generation of instant gratification you better do it now or the audience ain't gonna be happy. It's the equivalent of Lucas saying, "Actually let's make it that Anakin isn't really Luke's father...oh yeah... and the Clone Wars never happened."
Christ, it is a damn film! It was a reboot and has nothing to do with the original other than the same crew. Watch it as one, don't get lost in the science and enjoy or hate it.
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Old 05-17-2009, 05:52 PM   #3
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I REALLY liked the movie.
I was worried they were going to totally screw up everything. And I was wrong. they did a marvelous job! I loved the movie and cant wait for the next ones.[thumbup]
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Old 05-19-2009, 07:18 AM   #4
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Christ, it is a damn film! It was a reboot and has nothing to do with the original other than the same crew. Watch it as one, don't get lost in the science and enjoy or hate it.
I enjoyed it a lot a thank you but not because you told me too
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Old 05-19-2009, 07:24 AM   #5
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Christ, it is a damn film! It was a reboot and has nothing to do with the original other than the same crew. Watch it as one, don't get lost in the science and enjoy or hate it.
Did you see the same film as I did? As it was related to the original
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Old 05-19-2009, 08:33 AM   #6
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I just saw it. The cast was great, but I didn't really care for it. The whole time I just kept thinking bullsh**,..... bullsh**.

Just give us the new cast and get on with it. If it's a reboot leave old Spock out of it. No need for cameo's.
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Old 05-19-2009, 10:31 AM   #7
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I liked it a lot as a sci-fi action movie.... Less so as a Star Trek movie, though it had its moments.

What I really thought interesting was that it seemed somebody had certainly been watching Starship Troopers when they wrote this!

That stretching effect as seen from the bridge when they went to warp for the first time was about as big a nod as you could get.
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Old 05-19-2009, 02:52 PM   #8
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lol this thread kind of reminds me of "fanboys" the movie
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Old 05-20-2009, 05:11 AM   #9
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Is it just me.. or the "teleportation" effects looks... err.. weird... i mean, the original looks better.. or am i missing something here..

Anyways, not really a fan of ST, but i do watch nearly all its movies and some its series and i do think the latest movie looks pretty good.

I'll give 7/10 tomatoes

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Old 05-20-2009, 09:00 AM   #10
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lol this thread kind of reminds me of "fanboys" the movie
A good portion of the threads on this entire board remind me of fanboys the something or other........

Amd Vs Intel threads

Microsoft Vs apple threads

Zune Vs Ipod threads

Nvidia Vs Ati threads

PC vs Console Threads

Futuremark Vs Madonion threads [rofl]
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Old 05-20-2009, 03:28 PM   #11
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A good portion of the threads on this entire board remind me of fanboys the something or other........

Amd Vs Intel threads

Microsoft Vs apple threads

Zune Vs Ipod threads

Nvidia Vs Ati threads

PC vs Console Threads

Futuremark Vs Madonion threads [rofl]
i read somewhere that having a personal affiliation to a product is the same psychologically as being in a cult/religion, the brain does exactly the same thing in both cases
its the cult of product
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Old 08-05-2009, 10:59 AM   #12
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Default Just saw Star Trek (spoilers)
Just got back from the 7:00pm showing. Glad I did. Not many people showed up early, so while the theater was still sold out, much easier on parking and getting in theater. For movie goers who are going soon, unless you WANT to watch the credits, there is no reason to stay. There aren't any easter eggs for those who stay and watch through. That said, spoilers are below.











































First thought: When they say its a reboot of Star Trek, they really mean it. The characters, and their personalities remain, but it really is an entirely different universe. There is definitely a good likeness between the new actors and the old, with the exception of McCoy, he's kind of out there. But i'm not arguing about that, the only way to get the real McCoy is to go with the original actor, who obviously can't play a young man anymore.

I'm definitely not sold on the new bridge. it seems cluttered, but not in a military way. Just poorly designed. More flash than substance.

O'hura and Spock, well I can say I didn't see that one coming.

The classic McCoy line is out of place in this movie. They put it in there, but it doesn't work. He's not Bones.

The space battles were weak, I've seen better in early TNG episodes. For a purported action movie, the pacing in the space battles is definitely off. Its too fast, too hectic for anyone to get any suspense story wise, or even for eye candy alone.

I'll give it time, but I don't think that this new Star Trek cast will be going for many movies. The sequel may have been green lit, but unless it drastically improves upon what has been laid in this movie, it will fail in the long term. I felt no emotional attachment, or really emotions of any kind with this movie. It'll be a hard draw for die hard trek fans I think.
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Old 08-05-2009, 11:38 AM   #13
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I agree with the point of having an entirely new universe. I'd say most of the original cast should have the same backgrounds minus Kirk and Spock.

As for Bones, I thought Karl Urban was absolutely brilliant and his performance was 100% faithful. In fact, I'd go so far to say that his performance was the best.
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Old 08-05-2009, 12:05 PM   #14
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I agree with the point of having an entirely new universe. I'd say most of the original cast should have the same backgrounds minus Kirk and Spock.

As for Bones, I thought Karl Urban was absolutely brilliant and his performance was 100% faithful. In fact, I'd go so far to say that his performance was the best.
He does a good job, He's just not bones. Nor should I expect him to be, but its hard to let go of the character. The classic "I'm a Doctor not a ......" line just doesn't sound right from him.
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Old 10-05-2009, 11:47 AM   #15
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I agree with the point of having an entirely new universe. I'd say most of the original cast should have the same backgrounds minus Kirk and Spock.
Yeah but this deeply bothers me. I'm a mortal being locked in a linear world on a single time line. I have trouble handling what appears to me due to the alternate time line that all those episodes of ST:TOS and the films didn't happen anymore. Damn I think I'm going to need therapy.
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Old 10-05-2009, 12:42 PM   #16
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He does a good job, He's just not bones. Nor should I expect him to be, but its hard to let go of the character. The classic "I'm a Doctor not a ......" line just doesn't sound right from him.
I personally never liked Star Trek though I have never seen an episode or movie......It was the same with Star Wars..... That was until my BF got me to watch the newer movies like The Phantom Menace...And I loved it[thumbup].....So I am definitely going to stop judging a book (Movie) by its cover and go see this one......I think I just never got into it because there were so many Trekkies.... [rolleyes]

I Saw the trailer for the new Star Trek movie and it actually looked really good.....

But as for the characters, since I have never seen an episode or movie of the series my opinion of being able to see them as the proper characters will probably be far different then yours
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Old 10-05-2009, 01:18 PM   #17
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Yeah but this deeply bothers me. I'm a mortal being locked in a linear world on a single time line. I have trouble handling what appears to me due to the alternate time line that all those episodes of ST:TOS and the films didn't happen anymore. Damn I think I'm going to need therapy.
They did happen; this Trek is an alternate timeline, they even had a scene where they stated that (two scenes, in fact).
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Old 10-05-2009, 01:21 PM   #18
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They did happen; this Trek is an alternate timeline, they even had a scene where they stated that (two scenes, in fact).
Yes I know but the point I was making was that the concept is too much for my limited brain to cope with. And don't even get me started on the possible paradoxes
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Old 10-05-2009, 02:47 PM   #19
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**spoilers**

I recommend you all read Star Trek Countdown. You can find it at your local booksstore or various places on the web, but anyways it is the Official Star Trek movie prequel.

It literally ties in the Star Trek universe we've all grown up to with this new movie and how Star Trek (2009) takes place in an alternate reality past. I also love it how most of the TNG crew had something to do with the events leading up to Ambassador Spock entering the black hole anomaly.

Star Trek Online, coming perhaps later this year will continue forward with a Romulus that has been destroyed by the Hobus Star Supernova. It takes place in the year 2409, 30 years after the events of Star Trek: Nemesis, and 22 years after the Hobus star goes nova. It will continue the story of Star Trek we grew up with, in the 25th century.

Star Trek (2009) movie or television sequels will continue onwards in a universe where Vulcan has been destroyed, and Romulus remains alive and well.
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Old 10-05-2009, 05:42 PM   #20
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I never liked TOS anyway, I guess it was always a different era and style to what I grew up with (TNG, DS9 and VOY). Still I loved this movie, it was fresh, fanntastic and threw some unexpected twists.

I have the Nokia ringtone young kirk had in his car! [thumbup]
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