[sportsbettinge]

looks like its 6ft long......

the iMac Long book Pro

[Kokomoxcvcv]

HOLY ****ING RIPOFF!!!

HOW MANY HANDJOBS COME WITH THE THING?!?!?!

Well that wasn't a loaded question.

[TpDoctorOneTp]

What do you use if you disable the glass trackpad? What is it that you dislike? I truly am genuinely curious.

I use a mouse of course because the touchpad sucks, at least on all laptops I have used.

[Angry White American]

I use a mouse of course because the touchpad sucks, at least on all laptops I have used.

Have you ever even used the trackpad on the Macbook Pro?

Edit: In case you haven't, here is a demonstration.

http://www.viddler.com/explore/engadget/videos/72/

[ThisIsOK]

Fair enough, unarguably they could be considered more costly but then you think about the design of the product, the unibody, glass trackpad, LED back light, hybrid SLI GPU, magsafe charging cable, essentially all the little details they include, then the OS. I am not trying to argue one way or another but it isn't as black and white as 95+% of people on this forum will argue based on... well white paper specs.

Yeah but that's like pacing gold trim on a Hyundai. It may look pretty but its practical use compared to other models of its class is exactly the same. Mind you, it does look better, and I am usually one of the suckers who goes for the extra trimmings so I'd probably buy into it anyway! [rofl]

Nice looking computers those new Book Pro's are. Seems as though every time Mac releases a new model you have all the PC manufacturers trying to catch up aesthetically. When it comes down to practical use, to each their own, but in terms of style they definitely have the edge.

All they are missing now is eSATA capabilities to make high demand mobile usage (like on-the-fly video editing) easier. The eSATA feature is excellent on all mid/high end toshiba and HP PC models, and helps eliminate the notebook's last big limitation.

Edit >

I think it has been established time and time again (especially on these forums), from the raw spec perspective, Macs can be considered a "total ripoff".

Yes... and now M$ has based a new ad campaign on that exact point:

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/PC-...pple,7401.html

[hrotedk]

You can get 15.4" notebooks with the 9800M GS for $700 less Or even ones based on the new HD4 series radeons.

Hell you can get a 14.1" with an HD4650 and 2.66ghz dual core heh.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16834220510

Ok so the resolution is lower but much more portable and far more horsepower.

Apple are packing an old set of hardware into a huge case and charging a premium for it.

2 gigs of ram in the apple is a joke.

[Angry White American]

You can get 15.4" notebooks with the 9800M GS for $700 less Or even ones based on the new HD4 series radeons.

Hell you can get a 14.1" with an HD4650 and 2.66ghz dual core heh.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16834220510

Ok so the resolution is lower but much more portable and far more horsepower.

Apple are packing an old set of hardware into a huge case and charging a premium for it.

2 gigs of ram in the apple is a joke.

Leopard is far less memory intensive than Vista, so with 2GB the OS works extremely solid. Besides the all Aluminum Chassis, LED screen, Backlit Keyboard, amazing glass trackpad and Hybrid SLI chipset, the Macbook Pro has exceptional battery life (5 hours +), not to mention very light-weight and solidly built. Sure, having a beefier videocard is a bonus for gaming, but it kills battery life. Again, as Mutelight pointed out, it's not always as cut and dry as simply looking at the specs.

[Ndptbudd]

i think the point is your paying hundreds of dollars for some nice touches like the aluminum case, nice trackpad and magnetic power cable thingey. my keyboard is backlit and it probably costs about $15 more than one that isn't, so i still think they are priced too high.

that said i pretty much think windows is a bloated pile of crap and would like to try leopard or whatever bit cat they'er at now.

[DaleJrGirl]

You can get 15.4" notebooks with the 9800M GS for $700 less Or even ones based on the new HD4 series radeons.

Hell you can get a 14.1" with an HD4650 and 2.66ghz dual core heh.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16834220510

Ok so the resolution is lower but much more portable and far more horsepower.

Apple are packing an old set of hardware into a huge case and charging a premium for it.

2 gigs of ram in the apple is a joke.

Smaller screen, lower resolution, also a 16:9 resolution. Far more horsepower? I think you mean marginally more, I assume you are focusing on the GPU or something?

I have had 2GB of RAM in mine for many months now and I have only felt the desire to upgrade it once and that was when I had a complex Pro Tools session open on it. When I feel it is necessary to double the RAM I will gladly pay the $60 for the two 2GB sticks.

Again, you are getting carried away with your comparison, the MBP is only marginally wider but it is thinner, shorter and the weight is identical. It is smaller than the computer you listed on two of the three dimensions you listed and only less than an inch wider, you also lose over an inch on the screen with the Asus. Where does this "huge" come from? Also, "much more portable"? Not really at all. [rofl]

All they are missing now is eSATA capabilities to make high demand mobile usage (like on-the-fly video editing) easier. The eSATA feature is excellent on all mid/high end toshiba and HP PC models, and helps eliminate the notebook's last big limitation.

I have yet to run across a client that uses anything other than FW400/800 or USB 2.0 but if it was necessary for $15 you can add one to any laptop with an ExpressCard slot. I also always run projects off an internal drive.

[ThisIsOK]

I have yet to run across a client that uses anything other than FW400/800 or USB 2.0 but if it was necessary for $15 you can add one to any laptop with an ExpressCard slot. I also always run projects off an internal drive.

Ahh... well I'm the opposite... the requirements for eSATA connectivity for me are very important. Often I am required to do on-site editing using full HD content. Any external drive connected via Firewire or USB is no where near fast enough to cope (incl. FW-800). Using eSATA enables me to connect any HDD I want, including RAID-0 arrays for uncompressed HD, which is great when doing live transers on-set.

And with internal notebook HDDs with 7200RPM speeds currently limited to 320GB on the consumer level, there is usually not enough room to do local HDD editing on many occasions due to the sheer size required for some on-site projects.

But then again, with Uncompressed HD and many other high end formats not being naitevly supported in Final Cut like they are is in Premiere CS4, you probably don't get this problem anyway. [rofl]

[DaleJrGirl]

Ahh... well I'm the opposite... the requirements for eSATA connectivity for me are very important. Often I am required to do on-site editing using full HD content. Any external drive connected via Firewire or USB is no where near fast enough to cope (incl. FW-800). Using eSATA enables me to connect any HDD I want, including RAID-0 arrays for uncompressed HD, which is great when doing live transers on-set.

And with internal notebook HDDs with 7200RPM speeds currently limited to 320GB on the consumer level, there is usually not enough room to do local HDD editing on many occasions due to the sheer size required for some on-site projects.

But then again, with Uncompressed HD and many other high end formats not being naitevly supported in Final Cut like they are is in Premiere CS4, you probably don't get this problem anyway. [rofl]

Oh Cubase, I can always rely on your to get twitchy when an Apple thread arises and try to contort it into a pissing contest/battle of the platforms.

Anyway, FCP does support uncompressed HD, with a PCI card which isn't much different from the systems the big guys use like Avid rigs. Regardless, you are right though, I don't run into issues because I do not edit videos, period, let alone uncompressed ones. [rofl] But as I mentioned earlier an eSATA port is just an ExpressCard away.

Also, here is a 500GB 7200RPM notebook drive.

[ThisIsOK]

Oh Cubase, I can always rely on your to get twitchy when an Apple thread arises and try to contort it into a pissing contest/battle of the platforms.

Oh admit it, you love it!!

But you know I don't make it into a pissing contest as I am actually fairly objective when it comes down the the raw figures... just try and think of me as the smug PC user to combat the smug Mac user demographic. [thumbup]

[Prarnenoexpog]

Well that wasn't a loaded question.

It wasn't, I recently bought a laptop and was wandering what the price was on that Mac Book. I was expecting something around the $1000 price range.

[DaleJrGirl]

Oh admit it, you love it!!

But you know I don't make it into a pissing contest as I am actually fairly objective when it comes down the the raw figures... just try and think of me as the smug PC user to combat the smug Mac user demographic. [thumbup]

I am not going to lie, not really, it kind of comes of as somewhat desperate to be honest.

Your PC is great, have confidence my friend!

Also, smug PC and Mac users alike annoy me to the same extent why lower yourself to that level?

It wasn't, I recently bought a laptop and was wandering what the price was on that Mac Book. I was expecting something around the $1000 price range.

The MacBook (non-pro) is in that price range.

[ThisIsOK]

I am not going to lie, not really, it kind of comes of as somewhat desperate to be honest.

Your PC is great, have confidence my friend!

Also, smug PC and Mac users alike annoy me to the same extent why lower yourself to that level?

Can't argue with that. Mac has got us PC users by the balls as of late, and Vista did not help one bit! It's hard enough convincing Mac-centric employers/peers to accept PC as a practical platform, let alone not trying to come across as 'desperate'! In a perfect world people would realise that the end result is what matters on not what went into making it. However, as I have indicated a while back it's often not the case... so I often have to fly a flag once in a while just to get some clients to 'trust'. Yet none of it is deception... I make sure of that.

So wanna talk about movie frame-rates? [rofl]

[DaleJrGirl]

Can't argue with that. Mac has got us PC users by the balls as of late, and Vista did not help one bit! It's hard enough convincing Mac-centric employers/peers to accept PC as a practical platform, let alone not trying to come across as 'desperate'! In a perfect world people would realise that the end result is what matters on not what went into making it. However, as I have indicated a while back it's often not the case... so I often have to fly a flag once in a while just to get some clients to 'trust'. Yet none of it is deception... I make sure of that.

So wanna talk about movie frame-rates? [rofl]

[rofl] That is fine man, there can be a thin line when discussing platforms but the one and only thing that truly matters is what the end user prefers and what they want out of their computer which is why we are all fortunate enough to have the freedom to choose. There are plenty of highly biased people in both camps and those are the types that all the white paper specs, reasons for one platform over another and discussion in the world will not cause them to even budge on their stance.

Much like the Apple ads have tried to dog on the Windows platform, you know my stance, I find that to show weak character and rather than highlighting the strengths of their products they would rather sling mud and try to slander the opponent. What I have noticed as a trait on this board in specific is the opposite in that not a single Mac user will try to rag on the PC but there are many that feel the need to fire up the Apple flamethrower when the brand is even mentioned. Now there are plenty of other forums and places on the net where Apple users will start bubbling with smugness and attack PCs but for the most part people here are not like that and respect both platforms for their strong suits. It seems as though people have a hard time coping with differing preferences and they cannot understand why someone would buy "an overpriced Mac" and need to reassure themselves that there are no advantages to the price tag, etc.

[ThisIsOK]

What I have noticed as a trait on this board in specific is the opposite in that not a single Mac user will try to rag on the PC but there are many that feel the need to fire up the Apple flamethrower when the brand is even mentioned.

Couldn't that be becuase you guys are grossly outnumbered?

Nah, I get what you mean. I am all for having fun, but deep down I agree with you.