[fuesquemill]

That doesn't give you the right to take the law in to your own hands.
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Actually, here, it does!

Its called Justice....your country doesn't seem to know the meaning of it as criminals get treated better than civilians. You are just totally oblivious to any form of it...

[JAMES PIETERSE]

Actually, here, it does!

Its called Justice....your country doesn't seem to know the meaning of it as criminals get treated better than civilians. You are just totally oblivious to any form of it...

I'm afraid I have a different idea of "justice" from you. To me "justice" is where someone accused of a crime is put on trial, evidence is presented, and based on that evidence the accused is either acquitted or convicted and if so a suitable punishment is applied.

[SingleMan]

That doesn't give you the right to take the law in to your own hands.


Please don't put words in to my mouth. I never said the law was perfect, I simply said criminals should be dealt with by the justice system which is totally correct, unless you propose living in a society where "justice" is meted out by who ever has the biggest gun.


I didn't say that either. But there is a big difference between simply defending yourself and going over the line in to vigilantism.

well end of story they should not be in my house, so what to do hope the police arrive before they have had it away or raped your wife and kids it happens everyday

[fuesquemill]

I'm afraid I have a different idea of "justice" from you. To me "justice" is where someone accused of a crime is put on trial, evidence is presented, and based on that evidence the accused is either acquitted or convicted and if so a suitable punishment is applied.

Yeah because there isn't OVERWHELMING evidence when you watch someone rob your house, besides, the way you think...you wouldn't stop them....they would just rob your house while you sit there going "IM GOING TO CALL THE POLICE JUST YOU WAIT THEY WILL BE HERE IN 10 TO 15 MINUTES AND YOU GUYS WILL BE LONG GONE NEVER TO BE FOUND AGAIN, JUSTICE WON'T BE SERVED, AND PROBABLY GO ON TO ROB OTHER PEOPLE"

Atleast, thats how I see it.

[Buincchotourb]

I'm afraid I have a different idea of "justice" from you. To me "justice" is where someone accused of a crime is put on trial, evidence is presented, and based on that evidence the accused is either acquitted or convicted and if so a suitable punishment is applied.

That is all fine and dandy, but what do you do while the guy is in your house? Sit there and take it?

I agree that there are procedures in place, but you can't be a doormat. Sometimes you need to take things into your own hands until the proper people are there to help.

[JAMES PIETERSE]

You people don't seem to be listening to what I'm saying. At no point did I say you should just let burglars do what ever they please. All I said is that you have a right to defend yourself and that is it. The law says you may use "reasonable force" and that is totally correct as far as I'm concerned. You people seem to want to live in a world where there are no courts and no police and where if you feel someone's sinned against you you have the right to do what ever the hell you want with them. I'm sorry but that's not a world I want to inhabit.

What you people fail to realise is there's a very good reason why the justice system is set up the way it is. If you let people go around dispensing their own form of "justice" that's where innocent people can get hurt.

[Buincchotourb]

You people don't seem to be listening to what I'm saying. At no point did I say you should just let burglars do what ever they please. All I said is that you have a right to defend yourself and that is it. The law says you may use "reasonable force" and that is totally correct as far as I'm concerned. You people seem to want to live in a world where there are no courts and no police and where if you feel someone's sinned against you you have the right to do what ever the hell you want with them. I'm sorry but that's not a world I want to inhabit.

What you people fail to realise is there's a very good reason why the justice system is set up the way it is. If you let people go around dispensing their own form of "justice" that's where innocent people can get hurt.

My apologies Bungle. I thought you were talking about any sort of force. I agree, reasonable force is acceptable.

[Flalafuse]

Yeah because there isn't OVERWHELMING evidence when you watch someone rob your house, besides, the way you think...you wouldn't stop them....they would just rob your house while you sit there going "IM GOING TO CALL THE POLICE JUST YOU WAIT THEY WILL BE HERE IN 10 TO 15 MINUTES AND YOU GUYS WILL BE LONG GONE NEVER TO BE FOUND AGAIN, JUSTICE WON'T BE SERVED, AND PROBABLY GO ON TO ROB OTHER PEOPLE"

Atleast, thats how I see it.

Don't be so silly! In this country you are expected to help the robbers carry your stuff out to their van, just in case they hurt themselves carrying your heavy tv and decide they should sue you. Remember they have more rights than you! :P

[blogforlovxr]

I'm afraid I have a different idea of "justice" from you. To me "justice" is where someone accused of a crime is put on trial, evidence is presented, and based on that evidence the accused is either acquitted or convicted and if so a suitable punishment is applied.

You are such a angel [thumbup]








Or was it spelled anal [rofl]
just fooling a little........

[Heaneisismich]

This world is in need of a REBOOT!!!

Good Day

[Anamehuskeene]

Whilst I agree "vigilantism" isn't the answer.
The definition of the word is totally different to what we were talking about and that is meting out justice in the form of a sound beating, (i.e. reasonable force) when you've literally caught some thieving scum inside your house.

If we were talking about "vigilantism" , we would be talking about, lets say, your out on the town and you come home to find your house has been broken into and things have been taken, Then you find out from someone, that a particular person who lives nearby is responsible and you go round with a baseball bat and break both their knees,

Now that IS "vigilantism", Whilst what I was on about, was protecting your property.

And we all know, much to our regret that the justice system in this country of ours is so f*cked up beyond all belief that the innocent are penalised whilst the criminals get off scot free.

Well I'd much rather take the chance and beat the living crap outta some burglar who I've found breaking into my house, than hide under the bed, call the cops, wait 30 minutes to an hour for them to arrive, should they arrive at all, to find that some thieving scumbag has rifled through my belongings and terrified my family to the point that they feel their house and home is now desecrated and that living here is no longer of any comfort to them.

That "reasonable" force you go on about, Bungle, actually states quite clearly that should I feel threatened, I can strike first, to the point of rendering the burglar unconscious, (although how he then fell down several flights of stairs and landed on several kitchen knives is beyond my understanding, officer! ), But had it been me, I probably would have just cut the brake pipes on the van and then follow and video it from a distance so I could post the results to youtube.

[JohnMaltczevitch]

It was a funny thing to do, but yes still stupid because he technically could be charged with grand theft auto.

I would have just turned the van off and pocketed the keys, sat across the street watching them load all the stuff into the van, then realize that the keys are gone...

Also in reference to protecting your property, if someone breaks into your house while you're home then it's a home invasion, in which case the perpetrator likely has intent to cause you harm or at the very least threaten you. If they just wanted some stuff, they would've broke in while you're not home.