[hotelhyatt]

My gf's friend is really religious, and you can tell because she's studying theology in college. But then I hear from my gf that she's been making out and whatnot with a guy who she's not even officially going out with. She even sleeps over (although not in the same bed.) My gf asks me if I'm shocked because the girl is supposed to love god or whatnot and I say no. She's only human. That's what humans do. I'm cool with that. But what I'm not cool with is how hypocritical they can get when they get back in to their religious state of mind. [yawn]

So true . Religeon is making me angry.

[LarpBulaBus]

Even the bible says a marriage should not happen between a believer and non-believer. That should tell you something right there.

Me and my GF are both Lutherans, she was raised more religous then I was, but we sort have grown up to be our own "free will" believers in our religion as we got older, especially when we met. We love eachother deeply and commited ourselves to love making to only to us. Our sex is not the foundation of our love, rather its love that is the foundation that makes sex so wonderful between other, its a great positive aspect as a result rather then the reason for our relationship, rather then just sex and lust which is the reason why so many other couples fail.

Others will say that we are wrong in doing however, and start banging the bible as a crutch put themselves on the judging table. Im sorry, but only God can judge me and I'll be the first to admit I am not always a good christian person, but damni't I least I have some heart in me to be opened minded and to try to do the right thing for others and God. The past year has taught me to believe little of other peoples twisted and biased "beliefs" and not to take the Bible literally word word otherwise it becomes a fundementalist foundation and I cannot stand fundamentalist, they are too one track minded.

As imperfect creations weather via creationism, evolution or whatever you believe, we need a sense of guidelines to keep our moral compasses that enables use to live like humans and not animals. How far you take the depends on your beliefs and your faith, some take it more extreme then others, as is the case with your girlfriend. I don't mind the more strugent Baptist and Mormon beliefs, but I sure as hell don't want them bashing on my door telling me my path is wrong pointing the finger at me screaming "Sinner" cause im gonna point my finger right back and say "Takes one to know one"

God, Allah, Buddah, Muhammahad whatever or whomever your faith is based on is meant for immature and sinful children *us* to believe and follow guidelines to live peacefully with eachother. The free will given to us however determines wether or not we follow those guidelines. If there is no ultimate good of which to base and run our society on, then everything is justifable. *Cough* Hitler would be an example of this.

The simplest explanation, we are our own worst enemy.

In any case, it sounds that you have found beliefs in each other which unfortuantly are so differen't, I don't see how either of you could maintan a happy relationship unless you come to serious a serious middle of the road groundwork.

[Anamehuskeene]

I suppose it all depends on what you want out of this relationship and how far you see it going.
If you wish to marry her, then you have to respect her wishes and her religious beliefs and abstain from sex until either she changes her mind or you get married.

But if you do get married, how is that then going to effect your relationship.
Most Women change in one way or another when they get married.
They either change for the worst, or they change for the better.

If you get married to this girl and she has gotten so used to going without sex, then she might withhold it forever, and once your married to her, your pretty well focked! And only Divorce or the death of either of you is gonna get you out of a sexless marriage.

Even though, I'm an athiest, If I had a GF I loved enough that I would consider marrying her, even if she was deeply religious, Then I might be swayed to attend some of her meetings to see what goes on, By taking an interest in what she is doing, even if its not something you directly believe in, it might provoke a change in her, towards you.

If you think you can remain in a sexless relationship and remain faithful to her, Or you think she is your Miss.Right, then you have nothing to loose by staying with her, for the moment.
It might be that she only believes in No sexual Intercourse before marriage and a quick "hand shandy" now and again to keep you happy, is the way to go, for now.

She might even end up so sexually frustrated, that any thoughts of abstaining from sex until your married, will "go outta the window" once she gets horny enough!

Now she's had a "taste" of sex with you (pardon the pun) she might find it harder to abstain, than if you'd never done it before.
Guess that largely depends on how good you are though!

[blogforloversxx]

Polish girls are weird. Take my word for it.

[Shemker394]

Polish girls are weird. Take my word for it.

Uh huh... Very deep and analythical development there...
...I thought it was funny.

[carreraboyracer]

As imperfect creations weather via creationism, evolution or whatever you believe, we need a sense of guidelines to keep our moral compasses that enables use to live like humans and not animals. How far you take the depends on your beliefs and your faith, some take it more extreme then others, as is the case with your girlfriend. I don't mind the more strugent Baptist and Mormon beliefs, but I sure as hell don't want them bashing on my door telling me my path is wrong pointing the finger at me screaming "Sinner" cause im gonna point my finger right back and say "Takes one to know one"

God, Allah, Buddah, Muhammahad whatever or whomever your faith is based on is meant for immature and sinful children *us* to believe and follow guidelines to live peacefully with eachother. The free will given to us however determines wether or not we follow those guidelines. If there is no ultimate good of which to base and run our society on, then everything is justifable. *Cough* Hitler would be an example of this.

I agree that religion keeps some people sane by giving them something to live for. Without it, there would undoubtedly be more chaos in the world. While some people live by religion, I'm going to go as far as saying that I don't need religion, and that anybody who tries to tell me that I'm not a good person because of that can go fck themselves.

While society needs a sort of model to live peacefully, that model does not have to be a religion or religion(s). I'm not religious. Nobody in my family is religious. A lot of my friends aren't religious. Are we all Hitlers because of that? No.

What scares me about religion is how people can be locked into it and its views. Just like thegecko's gf.

[hotelhyatt]

Polish girls are weird. Take my word for it.

Im doubting if her feelings are the same as mine towards her, im actually shes feeling anything anymore to be honest. dam shes changed.

Txt her this morning because i knew she was going to be up saying hello are u ok? im up and on skype if u fancy a chat for abit..... reply was "oh hi, didnt you sleep. have a good day xx"

[carreraboyracer]

Im doubting if her feelings are the same as mine towards her, im actually shes feeling anything anymore to be honest. dam shes changed.

Txt her this morning because i knew she was going to be up saying hello are u ok? im up and on skype if u fancy a chat for abit..... reply was "oh hi, didnt you sleep. have a good day xx"

Leave her. If she changes back. Great. If not, then you've done yourself a big favor.

[hotelhyatt]

Leave her. If she changes back. Great. If not, then you've done yourself a big favor.

Itas all easier said than done tho isnt it, i know i should leave her but its hard, i should delte her number off my mobiel so i cannot txt her even if i want to. and delte and block her from skype, but i know her skype name so would inevitably add her back. arghghg.[cursing]

[carreraboyracer]

Itas all easier said than done tho isnt it, i know i should leave her but its hard, i should delte her number off my mobiel so i cannot txt her even if i want to. and delte and block her from skype, but i know her skype name so would inevitably add her back. arghghg.[cursing]

You don't have to block her. Just don't go after her. If/when she becomes lonely, she'll realize how selfish she's been.

If she finds enough companionship with that holy ghost cult, just go ahead and leave her. I know you said religion makes you angry. Trying to change her view is only going to frustrate you more.

[hotelhyatt]

You don't have to block her. Just don't go after her. If/when she becomes lonely, she'll realize how selfish she's been.

If she finds enough companionship with that holy ghost cult, just go ahead and leave her. I know you said religion makes you angry. Trying to change her view is only going to frustrate you more.

I didint want to change her views untill she went "over the top" with it all. stupid holy ghost cult [cursing]

[interznakinfo]

Dam right.. anyways she said to me why dont i beleive in god, and im like even if there was a god the only thing he has done for me is take you away from me... she didint knwo what to say... then came with maybe he did it to make you realise somehting, so i say oh so hes into punishment is he.. and she couldnt respond with any sort of logical answer.

It sounds like you at least made her sit up and think a little about how you feel about the whole situation here with your very astute arguments here. If the subject of the whole "speaking in tounges" thing comes up again, there is a point of view that you could put across that might also have a similar effect. You see, practically everybody thinks that speaking in tounges is either speaking complete gobbledegook or speaking in a language that they didin't previously understand, whereas what it actually means is the speaker will be understood by everybody who is listening, regardless of what languages they speak or understand themselves, kind of like a universal language that was supposed to have been given by god so that his messengers could spread "the word" to the far reaches of the world. Maybe you could ask her to explain her own experiences of this phenomena.

Im doubting if her feelings are the same as mine towards her, im actually shes feeling anything anymore to be honest. dam shes changed.

Txt her this morning because i knew she was going to be up saying hello are u ok? im up and on skype if u fancy a chat for abit..... reply was "oh hi, didnt you sleep. have a good day xx"

Could this be a language problem? How is her English? I have a friend from Portugal and her English is ok, but because of her somewhat limited vocabulary she can often come across as sounding rude or abrupt in conversation, when she doesn't really mean to.

[russmodel]

It sounds like you at least made her sit up and think a little about how you feel about the whole situation here with your very astute arguments here. If the subject of the whole "speaking in tongues" thing comes up again, there is a point of view that you could put across that might also have a similar effect. You see, practically everybody thinks that speaking in tongues is either speaking complete gobbledegook or speaking in a language that they didn't previously understand, whereas what it actually means is the speaker will be understood by everybody who is listening, regardless of what languages they speak or understand themselves, kind of like a universal language that was supposed to have been given by god so that his messengers could spread "the word" to the far reaches of the world. Maybe you could ask her to explain her own experiences of this phenomena.

That's just not true. I suspect that you are misunderstanding what happened on Pentecost in the Bible.

In the Bible, prayer is often referred to as a kind of weapon for people to use in this world. Now if you think of normal pray as a bomb, think of speaking in tongues as a laser guided missile.

[xochex]

from what you say it sounds odd that she would go from having sex, to then dismissing it so quickly. however she is a woman and they are strange anyway, my ex went from normal with me to telling me she was not in love with me within a space of hours.

so nearly 2 years out the window and i have not spoken to her in over 6 months now, but i am over it now and enjoying myself again and chatting up quite a few women at the same time as well[thumbup]

[CarmenSanches]

Many believe talking in tongues is a way of the human psyche to relieve sexual tension. I bet she had an orgasm too...[yes]

[AXGreg]

If a girl I loved ever said that to me I'd realise I didn't really love her and I was probably kidding myself on.

She'd be out on the street before you could say 'empornium'.

[interznakinfo]

That's just not true. I suspect that you are misunderstanding what happened on Pentecost in the Bible.

In the Bible, prayer is often referred to as a kind of weapon for people to use in this world. Now if you think of normal pray as a bomb, think of speaking in tongues as a laser guided missile.

I know some people think of Wikipedia as not the most accurate source of information, but I'm kind of busy today and I don't have time to go digging around so a quote from Wiki will have to do I'm afraid:

"The apostles, along with other of Jesus's followers meet and elect Matthias to replace Judas as a member of The Twelve. On Pentecost, the Holy Spirit descends on them—the apostles hear a great wind and witness "tongues of flames" descending on them, paralleling Luke 3:16-17. Thereafter, the apostles have the miraculous power to "Speak in tongues" and when they address a crowd, each member of the crowd hears their speech in his own native language."

I'm pretty sure that sums up what I was trying to get across, but it's very likely that you have a much better understanding that I do. Perhaps you could educate me?

*sorry to the OP for the slight derail of his thread

[denSmumbSes]

If a girl I loved ever said that to me I'd realise I didn't really love her and I was probably kidding myself on.

She'd be out on the street before you could say 'empornium'.

LOL!
Reminds me, I need to improve my ratio.

[AXGreg]

LOL!
Reminds me, I need to improve my ratio.

Oh yes can't neglect the ratio. Mine is 1. Damn I'm generous.

[russmodel]

I know some people think of Wikipedia as not the most accurate source of information, but I'm kind of busy today and I don't have time to go digging around so a quote from Wiki will have to do I'm afraid:

"The apostles, along with other of Jesus's followers meet and elect Matthias to replace Judas as a member of The Twelve. On Pentecost, the Holy Spirit descends on them—the apostles hear a great wind and witness "tongues of flames" descending on them, paralleling Luke 3:16-17. Thereafter, the apostles have the miraculous power to "Speak in tongues" and when they address a crowd, each member of the crowd hears their speech in his own native language."

I'm pretty sure that sums up what I was trying to get across, but it's very likely that you have a much better understanding that I do. Perhaps you could educate me?

*sorry to the OP for the slight derail of his thread

Speaking in tongues is God giving people the words to speak. God uses that differently depending on the situation. In your quote God does use it so people can understand what the apostles are saying, but it isn't always used like that. For example, lets say a Christian wants to pray for someone, but doesn't know what to pray. Speaking in tongues would be God giving them the words to pray.