[oscilsoda]

yup, every time you have problem, you cut your wrist, thats real mature

Maybe, but these kids need help. The attitude you display is why these people feel so isolated and eventually end their lives. It's not easy being a kid nowadays, and it's a difficult reality when you realize that this world isn't what you thought it would be.

[RastusuadegeFrimoum]

Maybe, but these kids need help. The attitude you display is why these people feel so isolated and eventually end their lives. It's not easy being a kid nowadays, and it's a difficult reality when you realize that this world isn't what you thought it would be.

Exactly.

Setsuna, there are deeper reasons why someone would want to end their life. It's got nothing to do with maturity. Some of the oldest and wisest people suffer from depression... and its attitudes like yours that makes such conditions so unbearable for those suffering from it. What you need to realise is people don't choose to kill themselves... they are lead to believe (by themselves and those around them) that its the only option, and there is no choice at all... and as long as the world becomes increasingly desensitised to such things and your attitude continues this will be an increasing problem in youth (as it alraedy is).

[gennickhif]

Exactly.

Setsuna, there are deeper reasons why someone would want to end their life. It's got nothing to do with maturity. Some of the oldest and wisest people suffer from depression... and its attitudes like yours that makes such conditions so unbearable for those suffering from it. What you need to realise is people don't choose to kill themselves... they are lead to believe (by themselves and those around them) that its the only option, and there is no choice at all... and as long as the world becomes increasingly desensitised to such things and your attitude continues this will be an increasing problem in youth (as it alraedy is).

Life is hard, so what, big deal, I personally would like to know what kind of problem was this kid facing and think suicide is THE only way for him to solve that, I'm betting it is nothing more than the usual social problem or girl problem. If I'm among the crowd I won't urge him to jump, but I do not pity the fools who do not precious life.

[RastusuadegeFrimoum]

Life is hard, so what, big deal, I personally would like to know what kind of problem was this kid facing and think suicide is THE only way for him to solve that, I'm betting it is nothing more than the usual social problem or girl problem. If I'm among the crowd I won't urge him to jump, but I do not pity the fools who do not precious life.

It's a medical condition mate. It's not like you can tell someone who is depressed to just cheer up and stop being a *****. It's like saying to a person with Parkinson's to simply stop shaking. Such conditions don't just have an off switch, and the social issues this kid probably faced were (as you said) nothing out of the ordinary but depression prevents people from mentally connecting properly with feelings of joy, and usually fills their head with fear and an extreme feeling of isolation.

You talk as if you've seen the world, and you are a hard nut to crack, but I can tell you: if you can't understand or come to grips with the concept of depression as a serious condition, you obviously are not as wise as you think you are and should not be making such harsh judgments of people like this kid, becuase in actual fact you don't know jack.

[gennickhif]

All I heard is depression depression depression, they are those sensitive kind of kid and we should just make the world spin around them. I'm making harsh judgement on this kid? How about you stop judging me and give me break? I can depress in a very serious condition and cut my own wrist too you know

[RastusuadegeFrimoum]

How about you stop judging me and give me break? I can depress in a very serious condition and cut my own wrist too you know

In which case you'd better hope the person you come to for help does not have the same attitude as you have displayed here.

[gennickhif]

In which case you'd better hope the person you come to for help

Now I feel isolated in the society because no one is willing to help me

[oscilsoda]

All I heard is depression depression depression, they are those sensitive kind of kid and we should just make the world spin around them. I'm making harsh judgement on this kid? How about you stop judging me and give me break? I can depress in a very serious condition and cut my own wrist too you know

Passing judgment upon you was only brought up by your insensitivity. Like Cubase mentioned, depression is a medical condition, and like other conditions it needs to be treated. We're all wired differently, so just because you are better equipped to deal with depression doesn't mean other people handle it the same way. The only reason I have a bit of insight into this is because I've been there, and it's a dark place.

[incimisiche]

Who HASN'T been depressed before?

Since when has depression been an acceptable excuse for suicide? Saying it's a medical condition is just another way of denying responsibility or free will. You might as well say the devil made him do it, or too many video games.

But we all know that's a load of crap. He made a poor decision, but it was a decision nonetheless.

[oscilsoda]

Who HASN'T been depressed before?

Since when has depression been an acceptable excuse for suicide? Saying it's a medical condition is just another way of denying responsibility or free will. You might as well say the devil made him do it, or too many video games.

But we all know that's a load of crap. He made a poor decision, but it was a decision nonetheless.

Your post is filled with logical fallacies. Depression IS a medical condition, which can sometimes lead people do things they normally wouldn't do in their right mind. Posts like yours and Setsuna's go a long way to display that many people really don't know much about the topic at hand.

[gennickhif]

So how to you cure this deadly suicide disease, by breastfeeding them or paying 200bucks per hour to some psychologist?

[Vezazvqw]

So how to you cure this deadly suicide disease, by breastfeeding them or paying 200bucks per hour to some psychologist?

You're pretty ******* immature, that's what i think.[thumbdown]

[gennickhif]

You're pretty ******* immature, that's what i think.[thumbdown]

And I'm not joking with that statement either

Up to 60% of people who commit suicide have a mood disorder such as major depression, and the risk is especially high if a person has a marked sense of hopelessness or has both depression and borderline personality disorder

[HcMkOKiz]

Oh, I know all about depression. This is going to sound like me being a real prick (which it is) but one of the reasons I don't pity suicidal people is because to me they're pussies. I'm a bit of a masochist. If life is that bad death is too good. Suffer more. But I think there are a lot of people like me out in this world who don't have sympathy for these people because we have had it worse, or know people who have it worse, and they don't go all emo. I mean my God, look at Hawking.

I tried living that whole "If you think life will be good it will blah blah blah" crap, but I'm determined as of recent that it is undeniably BS that they feed people and that if life sucks it sucks. When life gives you lemons.. you have freaking lemons. You have no sugar. You can't make lemonade. Some people throw their lemons away, some people demand that others to take their lemons from them, and other people eat their lemons and deal with it. I have no sympathy for people who won't eat the damned lemon, and am annoyed by people who try to force them upon others. Share it if someone wants a bite, but ultimately its yours to eat.

If life is that bad, the better are the moments when you're truly enjoying it......
I tend to live for these moments....

[RastusuadegeFrimoum]

Who HASN'T been depressed before?

Since when has depression been an acceptable excuse for suicide? Saying it's a medical condition is just another way of denying responsibility or free will. You might as well say the devil made him do it, or too many video games.

But we all know that's a load of crap. He made a poor decision, but it was a decision nonetheless.

As Acupuncture has said, it is a medical condition, just as severe (but not alike) as other mental conditions like dementia, tourettes or anxiety. Can you tell someone will Alzheimer's to simply remember? No. Can you tell someone with tourettes to simply shut up?... no! Can you tell someone who suffers from anxiety to simply clam down? ...no! Why? Beucase these are serious medical conditions in which the brain does not connect or balance properly resulting in a deteriorated state of mind, and with depression the symptoms are constant sadness, fear and isolation wich can lead to feelings of suicide. Small yet traumatic events (which seem lame to many people here) may be triggers for severe depression, much like bright lights trigger fits in eppilepsy.

And for those of you who think "yeah man, I've been depressed before"... there is a BIG difference between the condition, and simply being depressed becuase you saw a sad movie, or becuase your girl broke up with you. Also remember that depression is an overly simplified name given to a very complex neural problem, hence why people often mistake it for something a lot less severe than it actually is.

[gennickhif]

So why do you think this kid is going under this super depress thing and eventually lead to his own suicide, nothing about that in that reported article, it could be just some a random emo who killed himself ya?

His best friend, Lindsey Reid, said he was joker who "smiled all the time and everyone knew him because he was so popular"

[mdUzAMbG]

Wow. It really is amazing how many talents we have here at FM. Regular users who are also experts on psychology, sociology and statistics. I really think you guys should write a report to the Surgeon General outlining your findings, maybe they could use this level of expertise and eloquence to finally combat teenage mental health problems.

I am detecting very high levels of ignorance in this thread.

[Quick$bux]

And for those of you who think "yeah man, I've been depressed before"... there is a BIG difference between the condition, and simply being depressed becuase you saw a sad movie, or becuase your girl broke up with you. Also remember that depression is an overly simplified name given to a very complex neural problem, hence why people often mistake it for something a lot less severe than it actually is.

u'm yea i know, i hope this isn't aimed at me
i am still using medication for it which i most likely can't stop with .......

[mdUzAMbG]

it could be just some a random emo who killed himself ya?

Really, you're doing a great job here in this thread. The points you make are definitely not obnoxious generalisms backed up with little to no experiential knowledge and don't let anyone tell you any different.

[Pataacculakp]

So why do you think this kid is going under this super depress thing and eventually lead to his own suicide, nothing about that in that reported article, it could be just some a random emo who killed himself ya?

That easily contends with the most blatantly ignorant post I have ever read on the internet. That is saying a lot. Actually, I read the rest of your replies in this thread and I am almost speechless.