[FsQGF1Mp]

do you think a post like this is helpful in the slightest?

yes it is very insightful to those who are not blind followers of gadget fashion.

[MeatteCen]

yes it is very insightful to those who are not blind followers of gadget fashion.

You must have completely ignored the responses in this thread. This is a PC-centric forum, and many of us have owned Windows mobile/symbian/Palm OS phones and chose the iphone as our device of choice. We're not rabid Apple followers, but we know an amazing device when we see it. I've owned about a dozen different phones in the last three years, and the iphone is by far the best I've used.

[vulikox]

You must have completely ignored the responses in this thread. This is a PC-centric forum, and many of us have owned Windows mobile/symbian/Palm OS phones and chose the iphone as our device of choice. We're not rabid Apple followers, but we know an amazing device when we see it. I've owned about a dozen different phones in the last three years, and the iphone is by far the best I've used.

The people who actually contributed information to this thread I feel have done a good job in helping he OP arm himself with information. The users who have owned/used the device for longer than a few minutes, or at all even, have given him both some crucial positive and negatives of the device, rather than insipid comments about how he shouldn't consider the phone because, "it is only a fashion statement". [rofl]

Not to mention last time I checked the iPhone customer satisfaction was an industry leader. Now, all those millions of people couldn't just be putting on a smile and turning their head away form all of the atrocious shortcomings just because they want to look "cool" right?

[lYVgWWcP]

What I love is that I see so many different types of people use the device! I couple of my professors have had it and loved it, I see middle aged people using them all the time, I see 16 year old blonde girls texting like crazy on it. If it had so many draw backs don't you think only one type of person would be happy to use it? I figure if it was as bad as most say or there was something else that was better then only hardcore computer people would have it. It's almost as common as a Nokia ringtone or something now and I don't even live in a major city! There's someone else in my class with one, I saw three people with them at a hockey game tonight, I saw someone on one today when I was driving home from class, they're all over the place now, can't be that bad!


Also, any song can be used as a ringtone and GarageBand on the Mac can make one real fast for the phone or there are a number of third party programs. You don't have to hack it or mess around with it at all, the free ringtone support is built into GarageBand and I believe iTunes now.

[FsQGF1Mp]

old farts = haven't got a clue so they are unaware of the short comings.

blond girlie's = don't care as long as they are seen with one.

16yo's = equally don't care as long as they have one.

once you get passed the wow factor its not any better than a Compaq Ipaq 3870 with a gprs gsm jacket I **** you not

lol

just for the record, im joshing but i haven't seen one person with one since the launch

[Tarrccrys]

old farts = haven't got a clue so they are unaware of the short comings.

blond girlie's = don't care as long as they are seen with one.

16yo's = equally don't care as long as they have one.

once you get passed the wow factor its not any better than a Compaq Ipaq 3870 with a gprs gsm jacket I **** you not

lol

just for the record, im joshing but i haven't seen one person with one since the launch

What I wanted to say


/leaves thread for iphone lovers

[vulikox]

old farts = haven't got a clue so they are unaware of the short comings.

blond girlie's = don't care as long as they are seen with one.

16yo's = equally don't care as long as they have one.

once you get passed the wow factor its not any better than a Compaq Ipaq 3870 with a gprs gsm jacket I **** you not

lol

just for the record, im joshing but i haven't seen one person with one since the launch

You could say the same thing about BMWs and their owners, for example. If you want those generalizations to fit, you will be more susceptible to seeing those trends. I have seen a plethora of different types of people using the iPhone from teenagers to executives of all ages.

But lets take your car as an example, there is the 335i, the M3, M5, M6, etc but you chose your car because the qualities you were looking for, in a car, fit. It was the balance of price and performance/quality. You could have easily purchased a more powerful car from a different manufacturer but it wouldn't have the same ride, features, build quality, etc. as the specific model and brand you chose because of your own personal preference.

[disappointment2]

You could say the same thing about BMWs and their owners, for example. If you want those generalizations to fit, you will be more susceptible to seeing those trends. I have seen a plethora of different types of people using the iPhone from teenagers to executives of all ages.

But lets take your car as an example, there is the 335i, the M3, M5, M6, etc but you chose your car because the qualities you were looking for, in a car, fit. It was the balance of price and performance/quality. You could have easily purchased a more powerful car from a different manufacturer but it wouldn't have the same ride, features, build quality, etc. as the specific model and brand you chose because of your own personal preference.

car is a really bad example because you run into the same problems you do with the iphone....marketing and brand loyalty. Try again.

[NowFloabDow]

perfectmark and iogan thanks for the feedback.

iogan thats the most helpful reply i've had on any forum about my iphone queries.

after a bit of reading online, i guess it seems apple is coming out with a second generation iphone this year. is it definate that 2nd gen iphone is going to be released around june? or is that just a rumor?

it's now almost 8am and i was about to go to the apple store after breakfast and buy an iphone, i spent all of last night convincing myself that i needed one in my life and i found myself closing my eyes and imagining myself using it and being cool.

anyway from what i've picked up from reading articles, gossip, and forums, is that the benifits of the 2nd generation iphone will be along the lines of a high def camera with zoom, 3G, multimedia messaging, GPS, faster browsing, and other additions.

i'm a patient guy. i think it makes sense to wait for the new iphone. $400-500 isn't cheap, and hopefully i'll get many years of use out of my iphone, so waiting a few more months to get a better version sounds smarter i guess.

hope that helps anyone else contemplating buying an iphone too.

cheers

aye. wait. from what i hear, both will still work, however the new ones wil work errm, better

[vulikox]

car is a really bad example because you run into the same problems you do with the iphone....marketing and brand loyalty. Try again.

Actually that is exactly my point.

All consumer products fall under those categories to a certain extent.

That is why an intelligent shopper reads reviews from both big companies which review products, reviews from the owners of the product and their personal experiences, as well as word of mouth from family and friends. [yes]

Your point is lost. Try again.

[disappointment2]

Actually that is exactly my point.

All consumer products fall under those categories to a certain extent.

That is why an intelligent shopper reads reviews from both big companies which review products, reviews from the owners of the product and their personal experiences, as well as word of mouth from family and friends. [yes]

Your point is lost. Try again.

let me rephrase that...the car brand you picked was a bad example... you basically picked the "style" car company. While there is certainly performance in a BMW, people do not buy a BMW based soley on its performance, or at least most do not. most pick a BMW because of what drivinga BMW says about them, which amazingly enough, is the #1 reason most people choose an Iphone, they want the apple sticker to put in thier back window so others will know they are in the club. Don't get me wrong, the iphone is a nice phone, but like a BMW, you can get the same or better engneering for cheaper from another company, but you just won't get that sticker and apple knows this and charges much more than anyone else (sic BMW) for the right to be seen with or in thier brand.

[vulikox]

let me rephrase that...the car brand you picked was a bad example... you basically picked the "style" car company. While there is certainly performance in a BMW, people do not buy a BMW based soley on its performance, or at least most do not. most pick a BMW because of what drivinga BMW says about them, which amazingly enough, is the #1 reason most people choose an Iphone, they want the apple sticker to put in thier back window so others will know they are in the club. Don't get me wrong, the iphone is a nice phone, but like a BMW, you can get the same or better engneering for cheaper from another company, but you just won't get that sticker and apple knows this and charges much more than anyone else (sic BMW) for the right to be seen with or in thier brand.

Well that is exactly my point. [yes] The example was catering to OHP specifically, to parallel what he was saying about the iPhone to a purchase he has made himself. Tons of people are susceptible to brand loyalty but the companies that have these reputations have established themselves via a great track record. As you said there are alternatives in both the realm of cars and phones that exceed the products we are discussing in certain areas, without a doubt. However, there are areas which these products excel also, which can be just the right combination of features, build quality, (including brand name) whatever it may be that drives the consumer to pick that specific product.

There are people that only buy Toyota, Mazda, BMW, VW, Ford, Chevrolet, etc because they have had a great experience with all of the vehicles they have owned by those manufactures. Much like how if I were to buy a new set of speakers they would probably be manufactured by Polk Audio, not that there aren't other fantastic manufacturers out there like Klipsch, BIC, NHT, Martin Logan, Infinity etc. it is the fact that I have been highly satisfied with the products that they make and I can rest assured that I would be receiving a great product from them. Not that I wouldn't consider any of those other brands I have listed, just that one of Polk's line would be at the top of my list.

All of the information on any product is out there on the internet now and it is the consumers responsibility to arm themselves with that data to make an informed purchase. As always, there will be a mixed bag of reviews by all different types of people out there but a wise consumer will weigh the pros and the cons of the product in question against the features they have a preference towards.

[ringsarcle]

Kind of off topic, but am I the only one that doesn't really have a brand loyalty to almost everything. I only buy nVidia and I only buy cars from German manufactures. Past that all I care about is that is the best at what it does.[surrender]

[WrigleyMike]

Kind of off topic, but am I the only one that doesn't really have a brand loyalty to almost everything. I only buy nVidia and I only buy cars from German manufactures. Past that all I care about is that is the best at what it does.[surrender]

Sounds like brand loyalty to me. I've owned nvidia, I've owned ATI. I've owned intel, and AMD. I've owned windows and mac. I've owned Ford, Kia, and GM. I'm not loyal to anything by me. If a product suits me, and does what i need within my limits then i'll buy it.

[FsQGF1Mp]

Well that is exactly my point. [yes] The example was catering to OHP specifically, to parallel what he was saying about the iPhone to a purchase he has made himself. Tons of people are susceptible to brand loyalty but the companies that have these reputations have established themselves via a great track record. As you said there are alternatives in both the realm of cars and phones that exceed the products we are discussing in certain areas, without a doubt. However, there are areas which these products excel also, which can be just the right combination of features, build quality, (including brand name) whatever it may be that drives the consumer to pick that specific product.

There are people that only buy Toyota, Mazda, BMW, VW, Ford, Chevrolet, etc because they have had a great experience with all of the vehicles they have owned by those manufactures. Much like how if I were to buy a new set of speakers they would probably be manufactured by Polk Audio, not that there aren't other fantastic manufacturers out there like Klipsch, BIC, NHT, Martin Logan, Infinity etc. it is the fact that I have been highly satisfied with the products that they make and I can rest assured that I would be receiving a great product from them. Not that I wouldn't consider any of those other brands I have listed, just that one of Polk's line would be at the top of my list.

All of the information on any product is out there on the internet now and it is the consumers responsibility to arm themselves with that data to make an informed purchase. As always, there will be a mixed bag of reviews by all different types of people out there but a wise consumer will weigh the pros and the cons of the product in question against the features they have a preference towards.

well the main reason for my purchase was the mpg of the car seeing as I drive long distances.

you see shes a diesel

and to be honest I sometimes feel a Pratt driving my car because of the way people who own these cars are precieved and that held up when i was banned from driving because the judge asked what car i owned and i said bmw and he sniggered before laying a massive fine on me and a ban now if i was driving a metro he probably wouldn't have banned me

but shes a nice looking car but that wasn't a factor in why i bought her I had a chance to get a prestige car cheap with every mod con in that range for a good price and there was other cars there for the taking but she was the best deal.

if i could get an iphone on the cheap I probably would get one but i would never use all the features and would end up selling it a few months later

[daasayse]

I seriously wonder how BMW comes into the equation here.

First off, they're a fantastic drive (and of course, a BMW needs to be). Two, a 3 series saloon can be found as a bargain second hand here in the UK and three: OHP said he opted for the diesel, which is economical sense and BMW diesels are usually very flexible and gutsy.

Unless you live in the UK, it's not hard to understand why a used 3 series BMW is a popular car amongst the motorist here if you can buy one for a good price. In fact, they're one of the most popular cars bought used.

[lYVgWWcP]

old farts = haven't got a clue so they are unaware of the short comings.

blond girlie's = don't care as long as they are seen with one.

16yo's = equally don't care as long as they have one.

once you get passed the wow factor its not any better than a Compaq Ipaq 3870 with a gprs gsm jacket I **** you not

lol

just for the record, im joshing but i haven't seen one person with one since the launch

Actually that's kind of my point. None of those people are your classic Apple follower or tech guy yet each one has found that the iPhone works perfect for them. The college kids find that it's fine for them, the old(er) (I haven't yet seen a senior citizen with one) guys are not afraid that it's too hard to use since it's touch only, the blond texting chick isn't freaking out over lack of MMS or what not (by the way, I bet we see a MMS app come with the SDK release), and the tech guys like myself and others on here love it for it's full rich internet and super simple and second nature controls. It's amazing that they were able to drag in simple minded people, fashion conscious people, no nonsense business types, and techie people with one device, and their FIRST effort at that. It's not perfect, a perfect device doesn't exist. However, what you do get with the iPhone makes it one hell of a package, a package that for most people probably is better then anything else offered.

[jPNy2BP5]

Just picked up my iPhone this weekend, the 16GB model. My wife kept making fun of me for wanting one, but after she tried it I had a hard time getting it back. She understands now .

I really am enjoying it. One thing I found neat was when viewing an email that had phone numbers in it, you could touch the phone number to call that person. Awesome idea, I just wish they would go further and give you an option to add that directly to your contacts.

One issue I have is with web browsing. For the most part it works great, but there are sometimes where it just won't let me zoom in. It just kinda shakes when I double tap. Happens with the RC from here.

I'm sure I will find more issues, but for now it's awesome. I'm just setting it up now to connect to my vpn at work so I can monitor the network remotely. I will be trying to get VNC installed on it so I can remote administer my servers. Now only if it had PUSH email.

What cases do you guys have for your phones? I bought screen protectors, but now I need a case. Any recommendations??

[Saispapedlimi]

What cases do you guys have for your phones? I bought screen protectors, but now I need a case. Any recommendations??

Personally I'd recommend the Griffin case:
http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPL...A&mco=EED3C8EC

I use it with my iPhone and find it very protective and easy to get the phone in and out as I need it. Also has a belt clip (removable) on the back so you can have it on your belt if you choose to, but I don't use it.

I get that shaking thing on safari too. Think it's just the way the webpage can be formatted or something that you can't zoom in on that area as it doesn't recognise it as a small area, maybe not though.

Enjoy the phone

[WrigleyMike]

One issue I have is with web browsing. For the most part it works great, but there are sometimes where it just won't let me zoom in. It just kinda shakes when I double tap. Happens with the RC from here.

The shaking thing as you describe it is Safari telling you that the frame is already zoomed in to the maxiumum. It all depends on how the page has been coded. It can also mean that a page, item, or graphic is already at 100% zoom.

You can go bigger with the pinch maneuver. Example, in futuremark forums dbl tap on the left side of the forum page showing your profile, it'll zoom into fill the entire screen with just the profile info. dbl tap and it goes back, dbl tap on the content portion of the post and it'll zoom till that portion of the table/frame fills the screen.

Most of the time it works great, other times some webpages have an issue with it.