[rusculture]

How do you figure DVI isn't made for pc's? The point of it was to work better with LCD displays which is does. Dsub is analogue where as DVI is digital.

And by that, if DVI is good for PC's, so is HDMI since HDMI = DVI + sound.

I have my PC hooked up to a 32" LCD TV via HDMI and its great.

Would be nicer if it was a 40" 1080p set though, its only 720p.

[TerAlelmlor]

last week I bought the 50" samsung dlp 1080p and I had to return it becuase the rainbow effect Killed my eyes. I couldn't look at it for more then 2 minutes. so I returned it and got the 42" sharp aquos 1080p LCd for $400 more and its much better. Plus I dont like the idea of a blub lasting 3000 hours and having to spend $500 on a bulb each time plus it had terrible viewing angles

[ZAtlLVos]

/hugs panny plasma.

[Adimos]

got my money back. done and done. Will go with one of these soon:

Samy: LN-T4065F or LN-T52365F (or new models)

or

Westing (hard to find) TX-47F430S

or

Sony KDL-40XBR4 (or new models or bigger ones)

[thumbup] thanks all.

That's the TV I have and I couldn't be happier. My only gripe is you have to cycle through inputs to get to the one you want. There isn't just a button for HDMI or Component.

[feannigvogten]

I love when people trash different TV's saying the picture is crap and comparing them to others without regard for signal source, hookup or settings/calibration. Apples to apples people. Properly hooked up DLP will look just as good as LCD or Plasma with the same source and connection type, and it will cost you 75% less. And yes, I own both - a DLP and an LCD.

[sueplydup]

How do you figure DVI isn't made for pc's? The point of it was to work better with LCD displays which is does. Dsub is analogue where as DVI is digital.

And by that, if DVI is good for PC's, so is HDMI since HDMI = DVI + sound.

a dvi on a pc monitor does not sync same as a dvi on a tv. trust me, it can look worst than composite in some cases. dsub ftw!


when you use dvi or hdmi from a video card such as nvidia/ati it does not scan or scale properly to the screen, it is made for a pc monitor/lcd which works a bit differently. look around and you will see what i say is gospel! :P

[spklnraz]

a dvi on a pc monitor does not sync same as a dvi on a tv. trust me, it can look worst than composite in some cases. dsub ftw!


when you use dvi or hdmi from a video card such as nvidia/ati it does not scan or scale properly to the screen, it is made for a pc monitor/lcd which works a bit differently. look around and you will see what i say is gospel! :P

I still think you are on crack [rofl] A quick google search completely invalidated your argument.

Dsub is ANALOGUE. DVI is DIGITAL. DVI on a PC is the same as DVI on a HDTV. Try searching what you claim and you will find everyone says DVI is better (or they dont notice a difference).



edit -
http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&sa...G=Search&meta=

Look for yourself!

[sueplydup]

well, that is fine. buy an hdmi/dvi equipped lcd and find out for yourself. anyway, it's better to have the option than buy a tv that scales, scans incorrectly.

[sueplydup]

VGA's main problem is the tv may have difficulty recovering the pixel clock. This can result in slight horizontal blurring or shimmering.

But DVI->HDMI also has its problems. Many HDTVs don't allow you to disable overscan on HDMI inputs, which prevent you from getting a 1:1 mapping between the PC's pixels and the LCD panel's pixels. This problem is worst than VGA's problem.

And that's not the only problem with HDMI. Many HDTVs' HDMI decoders only accept data in the YUV color space, not RGB that is native to PCs. Although most computer video cards will convert from RGB to YUV, there are two problems:
1. Some very bright colors may be clipped.
2. The chroma data is subsampled, so bright colors can appear as if they are bleeding into the immediately adjacent pixel.

It really depends on the tv. When everything falls into place, HDMI is the best. But that rarely happens, leaving VGA as the best option on many tvs.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/newre...ply&p=11256896

[spklnraz]

well, that is fine. buy an hdmi/dvi equipped lcd and find out for yourself, otherwise shut it.

Forget it, Im not fighing



edit - It boils down to DVI is better tech. Its settings that can make or break it.

[sueplydup]

Forget it, Im not fighing



edit - It boils down to DVI is better tech. Its settings that can make or break it.

you say you are not fighting, yet you tell me I'm on crack? geez.

[spklnraz]

you say you are not fighting, yet you tell me I'm on crack? geez.

It was meant in a joking manor We can't really fight it I realized since we have different eyes. Like I said, DVI is better tech, but there is so much than can be different even between identical sets that makes it hard to call.

I'm not sure why you said DVI on PC's is different though. Care to elaborate?

BTW, I agree its better to have both!

[sueplydup]

ok, simply from my point of view.

I had a samsung 26 lcd with pc/hdmi input. it looked great using vga, super sharp and clear, then i connected it via hdmi and it looked completely blurry. I can only assume it was trying to take the input and scale it to fit its screen due to overscan. i have no idea why.

i returned the tv for a 32 inch toshiba. now the toshiba sucked because its vga/pc input only allowed 1024x768 input. yuck. i returned it.

i went and bought a lg 24inch hdmi monitor, connected my pc and it worked fine. so i though that maybe i had bad luck.

i went and bought a 32 panasonic 32 viera lcd with hdmi inputs only. i connected my xbox via hdmi and WOW it looked fantastic. then things looked up and i tried my pc on it again. blurryyyyyyy. i was so pissed, but my xbox 360 looks so good it stays.

to make matters worse, i go over to my friends house, he just bought a 32 inch lcd, no name brand, lol and it looks 90% better on vga than mine did on any of the lcd's i tried with hdmi/dvi.

so at the time, maybe sept 07, i searched the net to see why and several sites come up explaining that the signals from a pc dvi output is not made for tv's, and even in my manuals it indicates the same thing. this is why an hdmi dvd played, ps3, xbox looks fantastic because overscan etc is already calculated into the signal, whereas on a pc it is not and must be done using the software option in the driver controls panels which cause a lot of blur. or like most tv's today they scale it, but it looks way off.

maybe tv's that have come out since sept have fixes for this, but my experience was really bad.

[spklnraz]

I get what you mean now. I thought you meant the PC DVI spec was different, which had me going

I guess it really comes down to the sets and settings as the ones I've seen hooked up with DVI look fantastic compared to VGA, not that VGA was bad though.

I guess it's a good idea to have both and just use the one that works best. [yes]

[sueplydup]

ok, i have a dlp and using dvi/pc input there is no difference at all because both can act as a pc input and my tv even has overscan options built in so i can stretch the image to fit the screen nicely. none of the lcd's I have tried have this.

hdmi vs vga from my xbox360 is night and day though.hdmi looking much better with 1080p.

hdmi/dvi is a much better option if it worked correctly for the majority. I have tried several sets that dont work right. this is why i suggest he finds a tv that at least has the option in case he falls into my situation.