[farmarrl]

The OED clearly differentiates of how to use the word climb - to go upwards, one only uses "climb" but to come back down, one uses "climb down." The OED is also clear on the term range, so a varied range would be the same as saying a "varied variation"; it would be more appropriate to say something like a "contrasting range" or "dissimilar range." To be honest, I find tautology considerably more acceptable that the grammatical abomination that is the phrase "hotting up."

[baronaaba]

Have to say this, rules that apply to the written word often don't follow when spoken. Hence slang and local dialects. For verbal stuff just go with the flow.

However when written my english professor was a stickler for redundancy. She would nail anyone to the wall for use of extreme modifiers. Words like Very, Really, etc... But when spoken she did not care, only when it was on paper.

I'd have to go with this to be honest. A lot of forms are allowed in spoken language, in contrast to what passes as fine in written form. I'd assume this to be true for a language as varied and spoken by as many different people as the English language.

Several dialects in other languages allow for the omission of entire temporal forms in their spoken form, whilst remaining strict in writing. IMHO what would be interesting to find out is if whether he uses it in written form too.

[abouthotels]

The USA is a pretty diverse country with many different dialects, so tautological use pretty much bothers me the least. Hell, I'm just happy if I can have a conversation with someone that doesn't involve a form of ebonics or the overuse of the word "like" in a sentence.

[neotheMit]

Thanks for the replies. BTW, I didn't post this because tautological use bothers me (although it does), I posted it because I needed to know whether or not it is equally frowned upon in American English as it is in British English - and it looks as though the answer is indeed yes.

Edit - One last thing. Redundant language is nothing to do with dialect or regional variation, it's to do with not understanding what words mean and simply hearing phrases and regurgitating them without thinking. IMO.

[dyestymum]

we have a varied range of trousers...

[Emunsesoxmete]

The OED clearly differentiates of how to use the word climb - to go upwards, one only uses "climb" but to come back down, one uses "climb down." The OED is also clear on the term range, so a varied range would be the same as saying a "varied variation"; it would be more appropriate to say something like a "contrasting range" or "dissimilar range." To be honest, I find tautology considerably more acceptable that the grammatical abomination that is the phrase "hotting up."

According to O.E.D, range doesn't have to be variation. It can be the distance a projectile is shot or many other things.

[LottiFurmann]

The USA is a pretty diverse country with many different dialects, so tautological use pretty much bothers me the least. Hell, I'm just happy if I can have a conversation with someone that doesn't involve a form of ebonics or the overuse of the word "like" in a sentence.

Fo shizzle dawg.

[farmarrl]

According to O.E.D, range doesn't have to be variation. It can be the distance a projectile is shot or many other things.

Obviously but the use of the word that Zoolook was referring to was "variation."

[Emunsesoxmete]

Obviously but the use of the word that Zoolook was referring to was "variation."

Well in that case I agree.