[investor]

for sure, being called out gives rise to some great routines, but that's for another day...

i'm 26, about 3 years practising like yourself, find that my age gives me a HUGE advantage over younger guys [and girls :P] because i have the house, car, job etc and that's all part of the package i guess...

i see guys failing at cube [so weak imo], 5 lies etc. all the time because they're just 'trying it out', because they read a book or saw a youtube clip, when all this is doing is creating barriers for other guys...

being called out i don't c&f, just use it as a **** test


my advice is don't even tell your friends what you're doing. it can come back on you, and you can get a rep...

[VardyCodarexyz]

I'm an approach coach... I actually help guys out :-) Great little earner for a student!

I don't mind getting a reputation... it's even made life easier in the past.

From my experience, most women love it that a man will put in the time and effort to try and understand women in such a way... especially if your ultimate goal is to find the right one.

[TheBestCheapestOEM]

7, it was one hell of a time and i never got caught!

[TheBestCheapestOEM]

for sure, being called out gives rise to some great routines, but that's for another day...

i'm 26, about 3 years practising like yourself, find that my age gives me a HUGE advantage over younger guys [and girls :P] because i have the house, car, job etc and that's all part of the package i guess...

i see guys failing at cube [so weak imo], 5 lies etc. all the time because they're just 'trying it out', because they read a book or saw a youtube clip, when all this is doing is creating barriers for other guys...
.

One trump card that beats all them is chicks dig scars, if your an alpha male type with out the ******** attitude look at me im so tough etc your laid instantly!
No amount of money and material wealth is needed, most girls are interested in the guy not what hes worth, those types of girls who are interested in your money have special name!

[JennaJJxoxoxo]

Well I think just being friends with a bunch of girls is at least as ghey

Good luck in the friend zone, Lennart

Well I'm not trying to make the girls just my friend ol' Pat.

Oh you should see this absolutely stunning blonde I'm working on!

She's already agreed to go out for coffee. [thumbup]

[zithromaxlinks]

Me and my present GF split up for a year several years ago so I kind of went off. I think it was 5. I made it very clear to each of them that I didn't want a relationship but they all still wanted to hang out so who was I to stop them. I also had a solid rule..call first if you want to hang out. I do not see anything wrong with seeing several people at once as long as you are honest with them. If they still want to hang with you knowing you are seeing others
and do not want commitment its on them. Unfortunately I still wound up hurting them anyhow when I broke em all off to be with my X at the time again who I never relly stoped loveing. I felt quite guilty. So you may want to think about that. Even if you do not want to commit at the time the female may hope you will change that. We have been together for 11 years minus that year. Buuuut...now I am fairly miserable and wish at times I chose one of them. Man..I got problems.... She is the needy jealous type but she is also very responsible and honest...and quite steamy. Steamy helps. LOL...good luck man !!

[VardyCodarexyz]

One trump card that beats all them is chicks dig scars, if your an alpha male type with out the ******** attitude look at me im so tough etc your laid instantly!
No amount of money and material wealth is needed, most girls are interested in the guy not what hes worth, those types of girls who are interested in your money have special name!

Well duh... I'm a poor student and I get more attractive women than millionaires (perhaps with the exception of certain rockstars and actors).

Money means jack when it comes to women. Scars interest them because generally there is an interesting story behind them.

[investor]

She's already agreed to go out for coffee. [thumbup]

1. you asked her. first mistake.
2. for coffee? she's done that 100 times already!

good luck, sometimes guys can do ok by playing the regular nice nice routine, but if i knew you well enough to be totally straight with you, i'd tell you you already blew it

for you i hope i'm wrong, and wish you the best of luck and a great time

[CVEGK7mV]

1. you asked her. first mistake.
2. for coffee? she's done that 100 times already!

good luck, sometimes guys can do ok by playing the regular nice nice routine, but if i knew you well enough to be totally straight with you, i'd tell you you already blew it

for you i hope i'm wrong, and wish you the best of luck and a great time

So you never ask the girl, then you take her to strip joints of poker nights with your mates because its something she might never have done before?

I think i would stick to the coffee and asking them.

[neotheMit]

The last time I was single and looking, I had 4 prospects 'on the go' - but I am a bit of a soppy romantic git, so there is a point I cannot take things beyond with more than one at a time (sex basically), so I narrowed it down to one pretty quickly.

[JennaJJxoxoxo]

1. you asked her. first mistake.
2. for coffee? she's done that 100 times already!

good luck, sometimes guys can do ok by playing the regular nice nice routine, but if i knew you well enough to be totally straight with you, i'd tell you you already blew it

for you i hope i'm wrong, and wish you the best of luck and a great time

Well I did say we should go do something. Other than coffee. Basically I was just wondering if she was interested in going out.

[VardyCodarexyz]

So you never ask the girl, then you take her to strip joints of poker nights with your mates because its something she might never have done before?

I think i would stick to the coffee and asking them.

Who said anything about strip joints/poker nights?

Something interesting, that you would both enjoy, that she hasn't done with EVERY OTHER GUY she's been out with... you want something to put you apart from the rest, something to make you stand out, something to show you are special.

For a first 'date' I don't think I've ever taken a girl for coffee.

The only way I'd take a girl into a starbucks or something similar is if we're out doing something else, wonder by it and I fancy a coffee and a sit down.

Well I did say we should go do something. Other than coffee. Basically I was just wondering if she was interested in going out.

And there's your mistake.

You shouldn't be wondering if she's willing to go out with you. You should expect that she wants to go out with you and take the frame that you are the one vetting her to see if she's up to your standards. Stop giving the women control of the relationship & you'll do much better.

That frame of mind creates instant attraction with women.

It makes them feel as though they are the ones chasing you, even if you initiated the interaction.

... if you want any more information you'll have to pay me

[investor]

You shouldn't be wondering if she's willing to go out with you. You should expect that she wants to go out with you and take the frame that you are the one vetting her to see if she's up to your standards. Stop giving the women control of the relationship & you'll do much better.

That frame of mind creates instant attraction with women.

It makes them feel as though they are the ones chasing you, even if you initiated the interaction.

i wish i'd had this twigged at age 20. took me a couple more [not entirely unsuccessful ] years before i did.

create a frame where you are the prize. sounds like you consider her the prize, and as such are giving her all the power.

Would genuinely be interested to hear how it goes


(@ little lenny, obviously ]

[JulietOreira]

Jesus, the mini-styles/mystery's are still spreading.


Do you guys still actively practice that stuff? I thought it was all "old news" by now? There is way more interesting and advanced stuff around now than the classic frame control etc...

On a side note to this pua stuff, i just LOVE the girls who know about it or who you tell about it, and they say "that would never work on me" - just awesome!

And good luck Lenny, you seem like a top bloke so you won't have a worry! [yes]

[JennaJJxoxoxo]

And there's your mistake.

Ahhh Fark.