LOGO
General Discussion Undecided where to post - do it here.

Reply to Thread New Thread
Old 01-19-2007, 07:40 PM   #1
jgztw2es

Join Date
Oct 2005
Posts
291
Senior Member
Default Guitar guys, quite a simple question...
I might be stupid or sound like it. But why does the recorded sound of my guitar on my PC sound nothing like the sound from the speaker in my AMP? My PC is connected by a 3,5 jack on the Line-In. It sounds nothing like the sound I hear.[thumbdown] [surrender]
jgztw2es is offline


Old 01-19-2007, 07:47 PM   #2
IvJlNwum

Join Date
Oct 2005
Posts
507
Senior Member
Default
possibly the sound card? AND im willing to bet alot of the sound your looking for from the distortion from the amp.
________
Soichiro Honda specifications
IvJlNwum is offline


Old 01-19-2007, 07:49 PM   #3
XiWm9O9S

Join Date
Oct 2005
Posts
400
Senior Member
Default
Amp works way differently than your PC, in a nutshell.
XiWm9O9S is offline


Old 01-19-2007, 07:59 PM   #4
crazuMovies

Join Date
Oct 2005
Posts
512
Senior Member
Default
It's just that Speakers are designed with absolute minimal distortion in mind and vice versa for Amps. Something like that, I've read about this before somewhere.
crazuMovies is offline


Old 01-19-2007, 07:59 PM   #5
ropinirole

Join Date
Oct 2005
Posts
477
Senior Member
Default
The amp has gain and EQ controls which transforms the simple waveform coming out of your guitar in many magical ways, whereas your pc simply records your guitar's output directly, without doing anything to it (unless you're using a guitar program)
ropinirole is offline


Old 01-19-2007, 08:04 PM   #6
nuveem7070

Join Date
Oct 2005
Posts
461
Senior Member
Default
Try using a prog like amplitube 2 or guitar rig, it can emulate most sounds pretty well, i use them for recording.
nuveem7070 is offline


Old 01-19-2007, 08:07 PM   #7
spamkillerj

Join Date
Oct 2005
Posts
422
Senior Member
Default
You need some kind of speaker emulation, the sound you hear is before it's outputted to the speaker.

You can either use VST emulation (usually from clean) or use impulses that take a sample eq from a speaker and use it for recorded tracks.
spamkillerj is offline


Old 01-19-2007, 11:01 PM   #8
spacecrafty

Join Date
Nov 2005
Posts
544
Senior Member
Default
What type of amplifier is it? Tube, transistor or digital modeler? If tube it must be recorded with a mic, due to the fact that the speaker colours the sound you hear. In the worst designed tube amps, the line out is placed before the signal reaches the output stage, thus making it essential to use a speaker emulator (Palmer is best) when recording. Even better designed tube amps with the lineout parallel to the speaker do require some sort of load/emulator.
spacecrafty is offline


Old 01-20-2007, 03:15 AM   #9
jgztw2es

Join Date
Oct 2005
Posts
291
Senior Member
Default
What type of amplifier is it? Tube, transistor or digital modeler? If tube it must be recorded with a mic, due to the fact that the speaker colours the sound you hear. In the worst designed tube amps, the line out is placed before the signal reaches the output stage, thus making it essential to use a speaker emulator (Palmer is best) when recording. Even better designed tube amps with the lineout parallel to the speaker do require some sort of load/emulator.
A VOX tube amplifier. With 3 big jack outputs, Head Phone, 8 Ohm 30W Ext. Spkr, Line Output. Edit: also the volume over line out seems to have very low volume where the head phone output connected to the pc is a bit to loud.
jgztw2es is offline


Old 01-20-2007, 05:05 AM   #10
egexgfczc

Join Date
Oct 2005
Posts
422
Senior Member
Default
If tube it must be recorded with a mic, due to the fact that the speaker colours the sound you hear. In the worst designed tube amps, the line out is placed before the signal reaches the output stage, thus making it essential to use a speaker emulator (Palmer is best) when recording. Even better designed tube amps with the lineout parallel to the speaker do require some sort of load/emulator.
Actually you can simply take the output directly from the amp output jack (the one where you normally attach a speaker cabinet) into an attenuator (such as Koch LoadBox, THD Hot Plate, and similar), and then directly to a preamp, and then to your soundcard. You can then use an impulse-based cab emulator (such as Voxengo Boogex), and change the cabs like socks until you are happy with your tone You can even run your gazillion watt tube amp at full blast at midnight, and no one will hear anything except you If you have a cabinet impulse from a cranked cab, you'll even get the sweet speaker breakup

And before someone who doesn't know what he's doing: DO NOT DO THAT WITHOUT A POWER ATTENUATOR, you will damage your tube amp.
egexgfczc is offline


Old 01-20-2007, 05:35 AM   #11
spacecrafty

Join Date
Nov 2005
Posts
544
Senior Member
Default
True, but the HotPlate has fixed attenuation levels. Between the lowest (-16dB) and load (dead silent) there's no choices. -16dB makes for very loud noises at midnight with a 100 watter. The Weber MASS is the way to go.

Or for those who (like me) know how to solder; read the tech articles over at Randall Aikens website and make your own attenuator.
spacecrafty is offline


Old 01-20-2007, 09:12 AM   #12
egexgfczc

Join Date
Oct 2005
Posts
422
Senior Member
Default
True, but the HotPlate has fixed attenuation levels. Between the lowest (-16dB) and load (dead silent) there's no choices. -16dB makes for very loud noises at midnight with a 100 watter. The Weber MASS is the way to go.
I don't mean the normal way to use an attenuator. I mean that the lineage goes like this:

Amp speaker output -> attenuator -> preamp -> sound card

That way you get the overdriven tube signal into your recorded stuff that you then process with impulse signals There is no sound coming out from the speaker cab (it's not attached), you go directly to the load box, and then out from its line out.
egexgfczc is offline


Old 01-21-2007, 04:35 AM   #13
spacecrafty

Join Date
Nov 2005
Posts
544
Senior Member
Default
Yea, I got that. But then we can't hear very good what it sounds like. Which is sometimes desireable when using certain playing techniques or pedals. Unless the mixer has monitors, of course.
spacecrafty is offline


Old 01-21-2007, 05:22 AM   #14
egexgfczc

Join Date
Oct 2005
Posts
422
Senior Member
Default
Yea, I got that. But then we can't hear very good what it sounds like. Which is sometimes desireable when using certain playing techniques or pedals. Unless the mixer has monitors, of course.
Yes, naturally you listen through monitors/headphones It's a little easier to control your speaker volume than a tube amp volume while keeping The Tone
egexgfczc is offline



Reply to Thread New Thread

« Previous Thread | Next Thread »

Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 

All times are GMT +1. The time now is 05:28 AM.
Copyright ©2000 - 2012, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.0 PL2
Design & Developed by Amodity.com
Copyright© Amodity