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**DoctorQuquriramba** · 01-12-2006, 02:52 PM

There is a new version of superman 2 out now though. The Richard Donner Cut. I was told it's almost like a new film. So maybe that will tie in better with superman returns.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superma...ard_Donner_Cut

some more reading on it.

**samanthalueus** · 01-12-2006, 08:08 PM

Thanks for spoiling it for me you *******s.

I can understand you frustration.

He gives away the ending of the film in the first line of his post.

**VodsNittats** · 01-12-2006, 08:29 PM

I can understand you frustration.

He gives away the ending of the film in the first line of his post.

dude....the movie has been out in the movies and on dvd....if you really didnt wanna know anything then he shouldnt have opened the thread..I mean cmon, didnt he really think id make a new post just to say it was good or bad....of course there was gonna be some discussion of the movie....

anyhow to Furos, ill look into it, but as it seems still hard to figure out as even if he was converted into a human....then how does the kid have any super powers ?

**doolarsva** · 01-12-2006, 08:38 PM

There is a new version of superman 2 out now though. The Richard Donner Cut. I was told it's almost like a new film. So maybe that will tie in better with superman returns.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superma...ard_Donner_Cut

some more reading on it.

It does tie in better with Superman returns. It explains more on the "transformation" and exactly how he got his powers back; although Superman 3 and 4 were not made with Richard Donner's cut in mind, so you have to just take the answers out of Donner's cut, then carry on with the original released story line.

In Richard Donner's cut, it explains more that the container Superman goes in irradiates him with the Krypton Sun's rays; which removed his powers (as he only gets power from the earth's type of sun). This left him as a Kryptonian but without the super powers. Anyone wanting to know how on earth he got his powers back, which was left out in the originally released superman 2 - the powers were from his father; which is where the "The son becomes the father, and the father becomes the son" phrase comes from, used a few times in Superman Returns.

Oh and his boy having Asthma etc, I think thats pretty obvious. He is half Kryptonian and half human - his powers are kryptonian but his asthma etc are from his human traits.

**VodsNittats** · 01-12-2006, 09:24 PM

It does tie in better with Superman returns. It explains more on the "transformation" and exactly how he got his powers back; although Superman 3 and 4 were not made with Richard Donner's cut in mind, so you have to just take the answers out of Donner's cut, then carry on with the original released story line.

In Richard Donner's cut, it explains more that the container Superman goes in irradiates him with the Krypton Sun's rays; which removed his powers (as he only gets power from the earth's type of sun). This left him as a Kryptonian but without the super powers. Anyone wanting to know how on earth he got his powers back, which was left out in the originally released superman 2 - the powers were from his father; which is where the "The son becomes the father, and the father becomes the son" phrase comes from, used a few times in Superman Returns.

Oh and his boy having Asthma etc, I think thats pretty obvious. He is half Kryptonian and half human - his powers are kryptonian but his asthma etc are from his human traits.

wow, ok this explains a great deal of things, thanks langy...guess ill have to watch it myself to get the rest, but one questions still remains...every single article and show ive seen/read on superman suggests that kryptonians cant have kids with humans....maybe I'm just looking too much into it...

**doolarsva** · 01-12-2006, 09:48 PM

Superman in itself is just a character from the destroyed planet krypton, sent to earth and has super powers from our sun. Thats the only building blocks that is required for a superman story. Technicals like "cant have children with humans" (which I havent seen myself tbh) doesnt need to be included; as it wasnt in The New Adventures of Superman, where Lois and Clark did have a baby at the end.

**crycleascentyv** · 01-12-2006, 09:49 PM

wow, ok this explains a great deal of things, thanks langy...guess ill have to watch it myself to get the rest, but one questions still remains...every single article and show ive seen/read on superman suggests that kryptonians cant have kids with humans....maybe I'm just looking too much into it...

garuntees he blows a load through her back like a shotgun

**VodsNittats** · 01-12-2006, 10:09 PM

Superman in itself is just a character from the destroyed planet krypton, sent to earth and has super powers from our sun. Thats the only building blocks that is required for a superman story. Technicals like "cant have children with humans" (which I havent seen myself tbh) doesnt need to be included; as it wasnt in The New Adventures of Superman, where Lois and Clark did have a baby at the end.

wait.,I saw that series...and could have sworn that the kid is adopted...then again havent seen it in almost 10 years...but from what I recall thats what happened...

**flienianO** · 01-12-2006, 11:59 PM

wait.,I saw that series...and could have sworn that the kid is adopted...then again havent seen it in almost 10 years...but from what I recall thats what happened...

He has had children in different story arcs in the comics, once with Lois Lane (Laura Kent was the child's name) although a few times in other story arcs it is suggested that Kryptonian DNA is so complex that having children with easy earth women would be impossible. Just one of those things the comic book writers can play around with.

**bestformaldress23** · 01-13-2006, 02:49 AM

Yea, with alot of all the "super hero" people like superman, fantastic 4, x-men, and so on have so many different story arcs that people get easily confused with so many different conflicting story arcs. I'm only more interested in x-men and there are so many different story arcs with things being 1 way in one arc and another in a 2nd arc.

**Pedsshuth** · 01-13-2006, 04:04 AM

Superman in itself is just a character from the destroyed planet krypton, sent to earth and has super powers from our sun. Thats the only building blocks that is required for a superman story. Technicals like "cant have children with humans" (which I havent seen myself tbh) doesnt need to be included; as it wasnt in The New Adventures of Superman, where Lois and Clark did have a baby at the end.

The asthma could also be the kid's version of clark kent wearing glasses?

But yes of course, it does make sense otherwise this to be part of his human traits.

**VodsNittats** · 11-30-2006, 11:11 AM

wtf....just saw it...how in the hell does Superman have a kid with Lois ? I thought that due to his kryptonian blood he couldnt have kids with humans ???? also why is the kid all weak, has asma, etc...than all of a sudden throws a piano at that dude ??? wtf I'm confused now....

**Zwnkkvle** · 11-30-2006, 11:36 AM

wtf....just saw it...how in the hell does Superman have a kid with Lois ? I thought that due to his kryptonian blood he couldnt have kids with humans ???? also why is the kid all weak, has asma, etc...than all of a sudden throws a piano at that dude ??? wtf I'm confused now....

I don't like that whole kid with Lois bit at all either, but supposedly this movie is set after Superman II, where Superman transformed himself into a human and had sex with Lois, thoroughly impregnating her. Then he turned himself back to Superman to combat General Zod and all that.

Now, about the kid's asthma etc...beats me. It's probably a little contrivance on the filmakers part to make it more of an "ohmygod" moment when they reveal the kid as his son.

**VodsNittats** · 11-30-2006, 11:39 AM

I don't like that whole kid with Lois bit at all either, but supposedly this movie is set after Superman II, where Superman transformed himself into a human and had sex with Lois, thoroughly impregnating her. Then he turned himself back to Superman to combat General Zod and all that.

Now, about the kid's asthma etc...beats me. It's probably a little contrivance on the filmakers part to make it more of an "ohmygod" moment when they reveal the kid as his son.

technically didnt he only "give up" his powers, though retaining his kryptonian dna ? havent seem the movie in ages...but thats what happened from what I recall....didnt "convert" to a human....rather just lost his powers...

**ElisasAUG** · 11-30-2006, 11:46 AM

I have no clue either, but sometimes its better to not try to understand. Its probably something gay like superman's son being half-human half-kryptonian, he got somes powers but not all of them, like he can be sick/get kill but still have superhuman strenght.

**catarleriarly** · 11-30-2006, 11:51 AM

Thanks for spoiling it for me you *******s.

**Zwnkkvle** · 11-30-2006, 12:13 PM

technically didnt he only "give up" his powers, though retaining his kryptonian dna ? havent seem the movie in ages...but thats what happened from what I recall....didnt "convert" to a human....rather just lost his powers...

There are many ways to see it I guess, but at this level of detail any logical analysis would break down...

01-12-2006, 02:52 PM	#1
DoctorQuquriramba Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 480 Senior Member	There is a new version of superman 2 out now though. The Richard Donner Cut. I was told it's almost like a new film. So maybe that will tie in better with superman returns. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superma...ard_Donner_Cut some more reading on it. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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01-12-2006, 08:08 PM	#2
samanthalueus Join Date Nov 2005 Posts 515 Senior Member	Thanks for spoiling it for me you *******s. I can understand you frustration. He gives away the ending of the film in the first line of his post. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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01-12-2006, 08:29 PM	#3
VodsNittats Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 551 Senior Member	I can understand you frustration. He gives away the ending of the film in the first line of his post. dude....the movie has been out in the movies and on dvd....if you really didnt wanna know anything then he shouldnt have opened the thread..I mean cmon, didnt he really think id make a new post just to say it was good or bad....of course there was gonna be some discussion of the movie.... anyhow to Furos, ill look into it, but as it seems still hard to figure out as even if he was converted into a human....then how does the kid have any super powers ? Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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01-12-2006, 08:38 PM	#4
doolarsva Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 498 Senior Member	There is a new version of superman 2 out now though. The Richard Donner Cut. I was told it's almost like a new film. So maybe that will tie in better with superman returns. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superma...ard_Donner_Cut some more reading on it. It does tie in better with Superman returns. It explains more on the "transformation" and exactly how he got his powers back; although Superman 3 and 4 were not made with Richard Donner's cut in mind, so you have to just take the answers out of Donner's cut, then carry on with the original released story line. In Richard Donner's cut, it explains more that the container Superman goes in irradiates him with the Krypton Sun's rays; which removed his powers (as he only gets power from the earth's type of sun). This left him as a Kryptonian but without the super powers. Anyone wanting to know how on earth he got his powers back, which was left out in the originally released superman 2 - the powers were from his father; which is where the "The son becomes the father, and the father becomes the son" phrase comes from, used a few times in Superman Returns. Oh and his boy having Asthma etc, I think thats pretty obvious. He is half Kryptonian and half human - his powers are kryptonian but his asthma etc are from his human traits. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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01-12-2006, 09:24 PM	#5
VodsNittats Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 551 Senior Member	It does tie in better with Superman returns. It explains more on the "transformation" and exactly how he got his powers back; although Superman 3 and 4 were not made with Richard Donner's cut in mind, so you have to just take the answers out of Donner's cut, then carry on with the original released story line. In Richard Donner's cut, it explains more that the container Superman goes in irradiates him with the Krypton Sun's rays; which removed his powers (as he only gets power from the earth's type of sun). This left him as a Kryptonian but without the super powers. Anyone wanting to know how on earth he got his powers back, which was left out in the originally released superman 2 - the powers were from his father; which is where the "The son becomes the father, and the father becomes the son" phrase comes from, used a few times in Superman Returns. Oh and his boy having Asthma etc, I think thats pretty obvious. He is half Kryptonian and half human - his powers are kryptonian but his asthma etc are from his human traits. wow, ok this explains a great deal of things, thanks langy...guess ill have to watch it myself to get the rest, but one questions still remains...every single article and show ive seen/read on superman suggests that kryptonians cant have kids with humans....maybe I'm just looking too much into it... Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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01-12-2006, 09:48 PM	#6
doolarsva Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 498 Senior Member	Superman in itself is just a character from the destroyed planet krypton, sent to earth and has super powers from our sun. Thats the only building blocks that is required for a superman story. Technicals like "cant have children with humans" (which I havent seen myself tbh) doesnt need to be included; as it wasnt in The New Adventures of Superman, where Lois and Clark did have a baby at the end. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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01-12-2006, 09:49 PM	#7
crycleascentyv Join Date Nov 2005 Posts 577 Senior Member	wow, ok this explains a great deal of things, thanks langy...guess ill have to watch it myself to get the rest, but one questions still remains...every single article and show ive seen/read on superman suggests that kryptonians cant have kids with humans....maybe I'm just looking too much into it... garuntees he blows a load through her back like a shotgun Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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01-12-2006, 10:09 PM	#8
VodsNittats Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 551 Senior Member	Superman in itself is just a character from the destroyed planet krypton, sent to earth and has super powers from our sun. Thats the only building blocks that is required for a superman story. Technicals like "cant have children with humans" (which I havent seen myself tbh) doesnt need to be included; as it wasnt in The New Adventures of Superman, where Lois and Clark did have a baby at the end. wait.,I saw that series...and could have sworn that the kid is adopted...then again havent seen it in almost 10 years...but from what I recall thats what happened... Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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01-12-2006, 11:59 PM	#9
flienianO Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 440 Senior Member	wait.,I saw that series...and could have sworn that the kid is adopted...then again havent seen it in almost 10 years...but from what I recall thats what happened... He has had children in different story arcs in the comics, once with Lois Lane (Laura Kent was the child's name) although a few times in other story arcs it is suggested that Kryptonian DNA is so complex that having children with easy earth women would be impossible. Just one of those things the comic book writers can play around with. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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01-13-2006, 02:49 AM	#10
bestformaldress23 Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 472 Senior Member	Yea, with alot of all the "super hero" people like superman, fantastic 4, x-men, and so on have so many different story arcs that people get easily confused with so many different conflicting story arcs. I'm only more interested in x-men and there are so many different story arcs with things being 1 way in one arc and another in a 2nd arc. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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01-13-2006, 04:04 AM	#11
Pedsshuth Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 457 Senior Member	Superman in itself is just a character from the destroyed planet krypton, sent to earth and has super powers from our sun. Thats the only building blocks that is required for a superman story. Technicals like "cant have children with humans" (which I havent seen myself tbh) doesnt need to be included; as it wasnt in The New Adventures of Superman, where Lois and Clark did have a baby at the end. The asthma could also be the kid's version of clark kent wearing glasses? But yes of course, it does make sense otherwise this to be part of his human traits. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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11-30-2006, 11:11 AM	#12
VodsNittats Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 551 Senior Member	Superman Returns...... wtf....just saw it...how in the hell does Superman have a kid with Lois ? I thought that due to his kryptonian blood he couldnt have kids with humans ???? also why is the kid all weak, has asma, etc...than all of a sudden throws a piano at that dude ??? wtf I'm confused now.... Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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11-30-2006, 11:36 AM	#13
Zwnkkvle Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 516 Senior Member	wtf....just saw it...how in the hell does Superman have a kid with Lois ? I thought that due to his kryptonian blood he couldnt have kids with humans ???? also why is the kid all weak, has asma, etc...than all of a sudden throws a piano at that dude ??? wtf I'm confused now.... I don't like that whole kid with Lois bit at all either, but supposedly this movie is set after Superman II, where Superman transformed himself into a human and had sex with Lois, thoroughly impregnating her. Then he turned himself back to Superman to combat General Zod and all that. Now, about the kid's asthma etc...beats me. It's probably a little contrivance on the filmakers part to make it more of an "ohmygod" moment when they reveal the kid as his son. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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11-30-2006, 11:39 AM	#14
VodsNittats Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 551 Senior Member	I don't like that whole kid with Lois bit at all either, but supposedly this movie is set after Superman II, where Superman transformed himself into a human and had sex with Lois, thoroughly impregnating her. Then he turned himself back to Superman to combat General Zod and all that. Now, about the kid's asthma etc...beats me. It's probably a little contrivance on the filmakers part to make it more of an "ohmygod" moment when they reveal the kid as his son. technically didnt he only "give up" his powers, though retaining his kryptonian dna ? havent seem the movie in ages...but thats what happened from what I recall....didnt "convert" to a human....rather just lost his powers... Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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11-30-2006, 11:46 AM	#15
ElisasAUG Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 583 Senior Member	I have no clue either, but sometimes its better to not try to understand. Its probably something gay like superman's son being half-human half-kryptonian, he got somes powers but not all of them, like he can be sick/get kill but still have superhuman strenght. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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11-30-2006, 11:51 AM	#16
catarleriarly Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 463 Senior Member	Thanks for spoiling it for me you *******s. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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11-30-2006, 12:13 PM	#17
Zwnkkvle Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 516 Senior Member	technically didnt he only "give up" his powers, though retaining his kryptonian dna ? havent seem the movie in ages...but thats what happened from what I recall....didnt "convert" to a human....rather just lost his powers... There are many ways to see it I guess, but at this level of detail any logical analysis would break down... Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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