[arcalmanard]

I'm still trying to learn stickshift

everyone says N-1st is the hardest...Not for me its 1st-2nd and 2nd-3rd, As you know I have a jeep wrangler and when im in 1st I usually shift at 3rpms but it has excessive whine and when im in 2nd i can barely get above 2.5+ rpms b4 it starts to whine and sound like its over-revving---any clue as to whats going on?

[Greactbet]

.....it shouldn't sound like it's over-revving in 2nd at 25mph , especially at 2.5k rpms. I'd be willing to bet thats around your max speed in first gear so plenty of room for second.

I have no idea what the problem is though, but something doesnt sound right

[LesLattis]

make sure your foot is off the gas when you change gear, re apply when you have changed!!

[arcalmanard]

make sure your foot is off the gas when you change gear, re apply when you have changed!!

yeah my foot is off the gas, does it matter how fast i shift the gearshift? or how slow or fast i let out the clutch? The transistion to the gears is smooth its just whining alot in 2nd gear

[LesLattis]

maybe problem with clutch or transmission. does it go into 2nd easy enough? as in when sitting.

[Fdhwzctl]

stick shifting ?

cogg swapping ?

[arcalmanard]

Assuming there is nothing mechanically wrong with the vehicle. Then I tend to follow the following gear ratios on a normal road car

1st - 0Mph > 15Mph
2nd - 15Mph > 25Mph
3rd - 25Mph > 35Mph
4th - 35Mph > 45Mph
5th - 50Mph+

As for shifting well its a matter of practice really to learn how to get it right, for me I learnt how to shift gears in a Sunbeam Alpine (RWD) with the rear wheels jacked off the ground on our drive. I dont fully come off the accerator (gas) pedal when changing gear but i do let it up as i fully depress the clutch.

I dunno you car shouldnt 'whine' as you put it in 2nd, perhaps you over applying the accerator(gas) pedal too much and pumping too much feul to the engine for that gear and flooding the engine?? Although i only ever heard of that when trying to start cars that keep failing.

I drive by RPMS is that my problem? i never really paid attention to the speeds only when I downshift..when im shifting up i shift at 2.7-3 rpms

[Immarsecice]

try changing your tranny fluid. does it ever grind when you shift?

[arcalmanard]

try changing your tranny fluid. does it ever grind when you shift?

sometimes it will make a clunking noise if i shift at the wrong times (to low of a speed)

[arcalmanard]

Hmmm shifting my rpms is usually used when double clutching to my knowledge and that takes a lot of hard practice to get right.

But really you ought to listen to others, i'm not that great when it comes to cars, was taught by my dad, ie him doing it all me watching. Plus it was all on 1960s/1970s cars so almost everything is all different now

yeah i know..my car is a 06' so its under warranty if somethings wrong -> In the meantime maybe ill test drive another wrangler similiar to mine on the lot and see if it acts the same...if it does I might have to ask the dealer what im doing wrong since every cars different

[Immarsecice]

i didnt realise it was brand new. nevermind your fluid then. stupid question, but your not driving around in 4wd are you?

[hjyAMqqT]

i didnt realise it was brand new. nevermind your fluid then. stupid question, but your not driving around in 4wd are you?

Lmfao, I would laugh so hard if that is it. [rofl]

[gdjfhdf]

It's a jeep,I'm assuming it's not geared high at all,it's probably tranny whine and probably not a real problem.

[zbckFNlW]

As its a jeep it probably has a very tall final drive ratio. Probably around 4.10' or so depending on how the engine revs.

As for tranny whine? I've never heard a transmission that didn't do it. I wouldn't worry about it unless the gear changes aren't smooth. I've driven stick shifts with the shifter so loose in the gates that the shifter would move about 6" at the top while IN gear. Very hard to bang 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 4th when you don't know what gear your in. Course that truck at 240,000 hard miles on it.

[K0aM7urg]

I drive by RPMS is that my problem? i never really paid attention to the speeds only when I downshift..when im shifting up i shift at 2.7-3 rpms

I usually drive by RPMs, although I usually just go by engine sound now, no need to check the tach. I usually shift around 3-4K RPM when I'm in the Civic, 3.5-4.5k RPM if I'm in the Mazda3.

[18holesin]

I usually drive by RPMs, although I usually just go by engine sound now, no need to check the tach. I usually shift around 3-4K RPM when I'm in the Civic, 3.5-4.5k RPM if I'm in the Mazda3.

Heh I always drive by RPMs. You kind of have to when the speedometer doesn't function at all. [rofl]

[6Rexw51X]

just go to an empty parking lot and practice...with someone elses car preferably

I learned to drive stick on an old crappy Ford Escort that had a clutch going out so it was very easy since you practically didn't even need the clutch. Just try to imagine that when you are shifting, you want to add as much on the gas pedal as you are taking away with the clutch for a smooth shift. this will vary with how sensitive the gas pedal and where the clutch engages though. If you are worried about grinding the gears or dropping the clutch too fast, just take it nice and slow when you shift, you don't have to re-engage the clutch at light speed.

True story that the first time I was out on the road driving stick, I was still having a lot of problems getting started on an incline without rolling back...so there I was, with my brother riding shotgun, in his car stopped at a light on a steep hill with a vette friggin nosed up behind us. My bro just said something along the lines of if you **** this up you won't be driving for awile so I burned up the clutch and smoked the tires taking off like I was going to race the damn vett in an 88 Escort that could barely move on it's own power!

driving a stick is one of those things that so friggan easy but there seems to be a large group of people that are afraid to do it...? never got that one, I like em' because it's a little more active driving and you're not as likely to be doing things you shouldn't be doing while driving.

[plantBanceper]

i didnt realise it was brand new. nevermind your fluid then. stupid question, but your not driving around in 4wd are you?

I would hope he is, they're permanent 4WD, do you mean with the centre diff' locked?

Good idea comparing other, similar, vehicles as it may be a common 'fault' as I would suspect the transmission is a bit more rugged than most passenger vehicles.

As for getting the changes right, it just takes practice to get familiar with the vehicle. I drive a wide variety in my job, light pickups to earth moving equipment to heavy trucks and it'll sometimes take a few changes to get the clutch action right.

[kennyguitar]

You shouldn't be changing gears by RPM, you should be changing gears from the sound of the engine and the speeds you are traveling, not what some dial is telling you.

[Roorseprate]

You shouldn't be changing gears by RPM, you should be changing gears from the sound of the engine and the speeds you are traveling, not what some dial is telling you.

going by rpm isnt too bad. the sound kinda translates directly to what the rpm is. i personally think changing gear by speed is a bit wrong though.

anyway it dpepends on how fast you wanna be going. id normally change between 3k and 4k, but if i needed to floor it, then about 5.5k