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They're not using it yet, supposedly they'll use it in Suzuka

Wouldn't say he has the "most raw pace" either, as when both him and Kimi have finished the race, Kimi has finished ahead of him 5 times, compared to him finishing twice ahead of Kimi

Ok, but the question is, if they had DDRS ready to test last race, why not try it at the track that would benefit the most? I guess they only have it developed for the higher downforce wing configuration then?

Of course you think Kimi's faster. Kimi has outscored Grosjean consistantly, but in pure pace Grosjean has him covered as shown by his qualifying, he just hasn't strung it all together yet (he has also had really bad team tactics compared to Kimi in the time Kimi has scored big points). I can see him grabbing a pole somewhere and running away with one.

He did well at the start, but he was told to speed up, and couldn't handle Perez at all. It's also not just this race. He's done well this weekend overall - should it have been all year, it wouldn't have been an issue. But if you are Ferrari management, you have to look at the constructors - that's where the money is - and Massa has clearly underperformed.

Well Alonso couldn't outpace Perez either, but Alonso started 9th, Massa 3rd so I get your point. Alonso would have taken the fight to Hamilton if he was in Massa's shoes. It's the fact Massa was so slow that they could eventually employ the old "save your tyres" to let Alonso catch and pass him. Had he been able to stay ahead of Button things would have been different.

[Doncarlito]

Well Alonso couldn't outpace Perez either, but Alonso started 9th, Massa 3rd so I get your point. Alonso would have taken the fight to Hamilton if he was in Massa's shoes. It's the fact Massa was so slow that they could eventually employ the old "save your tyres" to let Alonso catch and pass him. Had he been able to stay ahead of Button things would have been different.

Alonso had not business fighting off Perez - Alonso needs points - a puncture/broken nose etc would have ruined Alonso's race and damaged his title chance further.

Massa's case for fighting off Perez is a seat at Ferrari.

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Alonso had not business fighting off Perez - Alonso needs points - a puncture/broken nose etc would have ruined Alonso's race and damaged his title chance further.

Massa's case for fighting off Perez is a seat at Ferrari.

Alonso didn't have the pace to fight off Perez even if he wanted and would have been taken just as easily as Massa was. Massa still needs every point for Ferrari and had no business fighting Perez either, it would only have ended up in a crash or Perez passing him, so your point is mute. Think back to Hamilton fighting Maldonado and replace it with Massa, Ferrari would not have liked that at all. As it was, Ferrari are happy.

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Ok, but the question is, if they had DDRS ready to test last race, why not try it at the track that would benefit the most? I guess they only have it developed for the higher downforce wing configuration then?

It actually wouldn't 'benefit the most' at Monza if I remember correctly, explanation being the fact that you run so little wing anyway, that DRS doesn't make that much of a difference anyway
Of course you think Kimi's faster. Kimi has outscored Grosjean consistantly, but in pure pace Grosjean has him covered as shown by his qualifying, he just hasn't strung it all together yet (he has also had really bad team tactics compared to Kimi in the time Kimi has scored big points). I can see him grabbing a pole somewhere and running away with one. Even if he has been able to do faster qualifying results overall, it doesn't change the fact that even when he does actually manage to finish the race, Kimi has outpaced him during the race regardless of qualifying, and it's not like Kimi hasn't had his share of bad tactics, including one of the times where Grosjean finished above him (too early pitstops > tires fell off the cliff, so to say)

Well Alonso couldn't outpace Perez either, but Alonso started 9th, Massa 3rd so I get your point. Alonso would have taken the fight to Hamilton if he was in Massa's shoes. It's the fact Massa was so slow that they could eventually employ the old "save your tyres" to let Alonso catch and pass him. Had he been able to stay ahead of Button things would have been different. Could he? In the end once Massa had let him past him, Alonso managed to only get 9 secs gap to Massa. It's a different thing to get up from 9th to 3rd than 3rd to 1st when McLarens clearly had more pace than anyone but Perez

[crazuMovies]

Massa signed his death warrant this weekend, especially with Perez's performance. It would be very surprising to see Massa in Ferrari red next season, even if they do say Perez lacks XP for Ferrari.

While I too would be surprised to see Massa at Ferrari next season it's not because of his performance this weekend. This was his best weekend of the whole season results wise.

He's not been on the podium for 34 races now. Is he Montezemolos secret love child or something?

[StitsVobsaith]

Excellent drive by Perez, excellent strategy calls as well from Sauber.

On that note, more horrible calls by Mercedes, Ross Brawn seems to be losing his touch. They have made poor decisions for almost every race.

yea they should have pitted schumacher when they did rosberg at the first stops..

they left him out for like 3 slaps and you could see the rear of the car sliding out of the corners it clearly had no grip

they also went
M/H/H instead of M/H/M for tyres :S

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Italian & spanish stewards.
Spanish driver in italian car pushes out someone, doesn't get punished.
Someone pushes spanish driver in italian car out, gets punished (and to be fair for Vettel, he most certainly didn't expect someone to come from his outside on fast corner when he's driving the normal racing line, in which there simply isn't room for anyone on the outside)

Who's surprised?

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Italian & spanish stewards.
Spanish driver in italian car pushes out someone, doesn't get punished.
Someone pushes spanish driver in italian car out, gets punished (and to be fair for Vettel, he most certainly didn't expect someone to come from his outside on fast corner when he's driving the normal racing line, in which there simply isn't room for anyone on the outside)

Who's surprised?

The stewards have all the telemetry data from the car so they can compare that lap to the previous. If he was just driving the normal line the telemetry would of looked exactly the same. If it was then you've got a point. I guess we'll never know

[whatisthebluepill]

Mclaren never seem to be able to get a good result from both cars. I feel like I say that a lot as well. Not a bad race overall though. I think Sauber splitting their strategy as they often do was a stroke of genius this race as it turned out. Vettel's punishment was a bit harsh in my opinion. I don't beleive too strongly that he ran someone off the road if he was taking the racing line. Alonso knows that's where he's going to put his car, so he can't be surprised if he does.

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Italian & spanish stewards.
Spanish driver in italian car pushes out someone, doesn't get punished.
Someone pushes spanish driver in italian car out, gets punished (and to be fair for Vettel, he most certainly didn't expect someone to come from his outside on fast corner when he's driving the normal racing line, in which there simply isn't room for anyone on the outside)

Who's surprised?

Interesting, but do you have a video, that image tells me nothing about how they go there, or what happened next. And I don't remember it being an incident during the race. The producer might not have picked it up though, it may have been the same guy that cuts from the start of an overtaking move to show a car entering the pits .

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Interesting, but do you have a video, that image tells me nothing about how they go there, or what happened next. And I don't remember it being an incident during the race. The producer might not have picked it up though, it may have been the same guy that cuts from the start of an overtaking move to show a car entering the pits .

Sadly I've yet to find complete first lap video, but I'm still looking for it.

[gogoleanylinkfo]

yea they should have pitted schumacher when they did rosberg at the first stops..

they left him out for like 3 slaps and you could see the rear of the car sliding out of the corners it clearly had no grip

they also went
M/H/H instead of M/H/M for tyres :S

Exactly, just dont know what the thinking was. If they were going to do so much running on the hard tire they should have just one stopped.

The Mercedes is a dog, but it cant be that bad of a dog.