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Old 08-16-2012, 05:18 PM   #21
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The disinterested are probably even more ignorant.
I disagree. They may be more intelligent.

Intelligent people cannot claim to be "interested" by politics. Politics are for the mediocre.

I can't be bothered to vote in most elections, yet I would consider myself far more informed than the majority of people who did vote.
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Old 08-16-2012, 05:25 PM   #22
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That must be exactly why the worst educated states in America are red states.
And also why democrats are across the board statistically more educated and intelligent.

http://articles.cnn.com/2010-02-26/h...sm-exclusivity

Political, religious and sexual behaviors may be reflections of intelligence, a new study finds.

Evolutionary psychologist Satoshi Kanazawa at the the London School of Economics and Political Science correlated data on these behaviors with IQ from a large national U.S. sample and found that, on average, people who identified as liberal and atheist had higher IQs. This applied also to sexual exclusivity in men, but not in women. The findings will be published in the March 2010 issue of Social Psychology Quarterly.

The IQ differences, while statistically significant, are not stunning -- on the order of 6 to 11 points -- and the data should not be used to stereotype or make assumptions about people, experts say. But they show how certain patterns of identifying with particular ideologies develop, and how some people's behaviors come to be.

The reasoning is that sexual exclusivity in men, liberalism and atheism all go against what would be expected given humans' evolutionary past. In other words, none of these traits would have benefited our early human ancestors, but higher intelligence may be associated with them.

"The adoption of some evolutionarily novel ideas makes some sense in terms of moving the species forward," said George Washington University leadership professor James Bailey, who was not involved in the study. "It also makes perfect sense that more intelligent people -- people with, sort of, more intellectual firepower -- are likely to be the ones to do that."

Bailey also said that these preferences may stem from a desire to show superiority or elitism, which also has to do with IQ. In fact, aligning oneself with "unconventional" philosophies such as liberalism or atheism may be "ways to communicate to everyone that you're pretty smart," he said.

The study looked at a large sample from the National Longitudinal Study of Adolescent Health (Add Health), which began with adolescents in grades 7-12 in the United States during the 1994-95 school year. The participants were interviewed as 18- to 28-year-olds from 2001 to 2002. The study also looked at the General Social Survey, another cross-national data collection source.

Kanazawa did not find that higher or lower intelligence predicted sexual exclusivity in women. This makes sense, because having one partner has always been advantageous to women, even thousands of years ago, meaning exclusivity is not a "new" preference.

For men, on the other hand, sexual exclusivity goes against the grain evolutionarily. With a goal of spreading genes, early men had multiple mates. Since women had to spend nine months being pregnant, and additional years caring for very young children, it made sense for them to want a steady mate to provide them resources.

Religion, the current theory goes, did not help people survive or reproduce necessarily, but goes along the lines of helping people to be paranoid, Kanazawa said. Assuming that, for example, a noise in the distance is a signal of a threat helped early humans to prepare in case of danger.

"It helps life to be paranoid, and because humans are paranoid, they become more religious, and they see the hands of God everywhere," Kanazawa said.

Participants who said they were atheists had an average IQ of 103 in adolescence, while adults who said they were religious averaged 97, the study found. Atheism "allows someone to move forward and speculate on life without any concern for the dogmatic structure of a religion," Bailey said.

"Historically, anything that's new and different can be seen as a threat in terms of the religious beliefs; almost all religious systems are about permanence," he noted.

The study takes the American view of liberal vs. conservative. It defines "liberal" in terms of concern for genetically nonrelated people and support for private resources that help those people. It does not look at other factors that play into American political beliefs, such as abortion, gun control and gay rights.

"Liberals are more likely to be concerned about total strangers; conservatives are likely to be concerned with people they associate with," he said.

Given that human ancestors had a keen interest in the survival of their offspring and nearest kin, the conservative approach -- looking out for the people around you first -- fits with the evolutionary picture more than liberalism, Kanazawa said. "It's unnatural for humans to be concerned about total strangers." he said.

The study found that young adults who said they were "very conservative" had an average adolescent IQ of 95, whereas those who said they were "very liberal" averaged 106.

It also makes sense that "conservatism" as a worldview of keeping things stable would be a safer approach than venturing toward the unfamiliar, Bailey said.

Neither Bailey nor Kanazawa identify themselves as liberal; Bailey is conservative and Kanazawa is "a strong libertarian."

Vegetarianism, while not strongly associated with IQ in this study, has been shown to be related to intelligence in previous research, Kanazawa said. This also fits into Bailey's idea that unconventional preferences appeal to people with higher intelligence, and can also be a means of showing superiority.

None of this means that the human species is evolving toward a future where these traits are the default, Kanazawa said.

"More intelligent people don't have more children, so moving away from the trajectory is not going to happen," he said. I hit all the checkboxes.
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Old 08-16-2012, 05:28 PM   #23
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If so, shouldn't participation rates be increasing as the boomers age?
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Old 08-16-2012, 05:40 PM   #24
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I think it is significant but can't be arsed to search.

I'll concede many are in the lazy/uninformed camp but I have to agree with earlier comments - I'm not sure I want them voting anyway.
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Old 08-16-2012, 05:46 PM   #25
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Locally it is difficult to know what the candidates will do unless you are very involved.

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Old 08-16-2012, 06:00 PM   #26
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Local government does have the most effect on people's daily lives yet usually garners the lowest turnout.

For various reasons the decisions of local government just happen to be less important to me.
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Old 08-16-2012, 06:09 PM   #27
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Making voting mandatory is a poor solution to declining voter participation. A more productive route would be to examine why people aren't voting. For a good many it has nothing to do with laziness but everything to do with refusing to participate in a broken system. Mandatory voting lends the system legitimacy it may not deserve while avoiding the actual problems.
my thoughts exactly. the biggest problem is apathy and the apathy is caused by the broken system. if you make so that a large proportion of people's vote don't count, then it should come as no surprise when a lot simply decide not to bother. for me, under an FPTP system, it's astonishing that so many people do vote.

we have compulsory voting in brasil. it does nothing to make people more involved in politics, but it allows a whole range of corrupt practices to thrive. politicians literally buy vote from the poor. especially in the more backwards areas. there have been cases where the politicians man will go around and offer poor people part of something to vote for their guy, with the promise of the rest of it after he wins. a typical example might be shoes, the guy will give everyone a right footed shoe, with the promise of a left footed one after their candidate wins the election, but it can be anything. false teeth was my favourite example. people were given the bottom half and promised the top half, after the election, which never materialised. when this was discovered there were pictures of a load of poor people with no top teeth and a gleaming set of bottom teeth, and of a huge warehouse full of the other half of the dentures.
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Old 08-16-2012, 11:48 PM   #28
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I'm not stereotyping, I'm responding in kind to other broad generalizations.

It says you are not very bright.
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Old 08-17-2012, 02:23 AM   #29
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I'm a competitive person, to be sure, and most consider me liberal.
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Old 08-17-2012, 02:48 AM   #30
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I'm a competitive person, to be sure, and most consider me liberal.
Aren't you a right-winger?
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Old 08-17-2012, 02:56 AM   #31
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I think political beliefs, when not indoctrinated by parents/surrounding community, as they most often are, are a function of personality type. Would a very competitive person be attracted to socialism? Of course not. There are definite personality analogues to general political persuasions.
I am competitive. I also aknowledge that it is better to live in a caring society than in a "every man/woman for himself" world.
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Old 08-17-2012, 02:11 PM   #32
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I'm not stereotyping, I'm responding in kind to other broad generalizations.

It says you are not very bright.
No it doesn't. In fact, it says that it doesn't say that. "The IQ differences, while statistically significant, are not stunning -- on the order of 6 to 11 points -- and the data should not be used to stereotype or make assumptions about people, experts say." You can't read and yet you are claiming to be smarter than me.
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Old 08-17-2012, 05:13 PM   #33
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I think political beliefs, when not indoctrinated by parents/surrounding community, as they most often are, are a function of personality type. Would a very competitive person be attracted to socialism? Of course not. There are definite personality analogues to general political persuasions.
Any such correlation probably isn't stronger than the correlation between liberalism and intelligence.
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Old 08-17-2012, 11:40 PM   #34
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Okay...
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