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Hater and motivator?...yes, they do rhyme, unless you go out of your way to pronounce the last syllable of "motivator" like the word "or." Perhaps that's a Philly thing.
Construction/function is technically a feminine rhyme (last syllable only), which sounds lazy and weak to my ear, but if you insist, fine. "First" and "reverse," however, are not even close, and if you're going to go for simple alliterations you should do it consistently. Doing one and then the other just makes it look like you're trying, and failing, to rhyme. Especially when you seem to give up the game entirely around the halfway point, before doing an actual rhyme in the last couplet. Also, there's no bloody meter. No, varying the meter (beyond perhaps one or two syllables to prevent monotony) is not a "stylistic choice." It's wanton disrespect for aesthetics perpetrated in the name of novelty. The second-to-last line is almost twice the length of the last. That, sir, is an atrocity against the English language. And the randomly varying rhythm...grr. |
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What part of struction and function do you not understand that beyond sharing -tion, they share the same vowel (u!) and the same hard k consonant in a single syllable?
Jeez let's see... a pair of syllables that share the same vowel sound and the same consonant sound... yeah that can't possibly be a rhyme ![]() It's not a perfect rhyme but it's a valid imperfect rhyme one level above mere assonance and consonance. |
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And verse and first also rhyme!
Let's look at the IPA for those words, shall we? Verse: vɜrs First: fɜrst Well what do you know? ɜrs! Hey and guess what, the consonant sounds for f and v are quite similar, sometimes even indistinguishable in everyday speech. Looks like the only difference in sound is that verse doesn't end in the t sound that first does. Well, that difference is a good thing. Otherwise, it would sound like you're just repeating the same word! |
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Looks like the only difference in sound is that verse doesn't end in the t sound that first does. Well, that difference is a good thing. Otherwise, it would sound like you're just repeating the same word! |
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This isn't about this piece of ****ing **** high school poem about biology! |
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And it's ****ing hilarious how you talk about meter and rhythm when you DESPISE the fact that rap is necessarily reliant on meter and rhythm (it's over a ****ing beat! Rappers literally HAVE TO use meter and rhythm or they'll be off the strict metronome of a beat!)... calling it herky-jerky. What sense does that ****ing make? |
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I write something like this as part of a verse... I've annotated all the rhyming sets. Yet I guess not a single one of these is a proper rhyme in Elok's bizarro world despite shared syllable sounds.
She's got my heart aching1 with her smiles2 and sunshine3 Time4 wasting1, mind4 racing1 while2 my tongue's tied3 They say love lies3, But it's me that I'm being dishonest with5 trying to be all calm with it5, portray the proper ambience6 Cause women want a man with self-confidence6 But every time I try to be smooth, I get lost in self-consciousness6, Making promises6 with myself7, I insist I got to get some help7... And a valid pronunciation of ambience is with the soft a as in father. look it up. |
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So we don't disagree about the poem. If you want to call alliteration rhyme, well, have fun with that. I mixed up masculine and feminine, after all. All I'm saying is that it's impossible for me to find that horrible POS funny. It's terrible in so many ways that it seems you were actively trying to make it bad. And it's bad in many of the same ways rap is bad.
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Yes, I do. It's what Shakespeare used, it's frequently used because it matches the natural stresses of English conversation, and it's not what I'm talking about. The problem is a matter of arbitrary pauses, generally caused by the practice of internal rhyme, and line length. I'll grant you that I don't listen to rap much, so maybe they don't all do it.
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Construction/function is technically a feminine rhyme (last syllable only), which sounds lazy and weak to my ear, but if you insist, fine. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feminine_rhyme http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/...feminine-rhyme http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masculine_rhyme But I agree that Al's poem is annoying. |
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Al, I'm saying almost all rap, including the one example you posted that I started listening to (the one that talked about pulling wool and NASDAQ heart attacks and whatever), sounds stuttery and annoying to me. I never stopped to analyze it closely, but it sounded like the line lengths and pauses were somewhat arbitrary. Now you tell me that's not the case, and so I suspect it's mostly a matter of overemphasizing syllables or something. Honestly, there's no way I'm going to listen to more rap to figure out what exactly is bugging me, so let's just give it up. I hate your poem, you think it's bad but tolerate it like an ugly stepson, good enough.
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