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Old 07-03-2011, 01:27 PM   #1
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Default Likud MK and Australian MP discuss "humane solution" for thousands of 'Muslim infiltr
Israeli Jews are hard-hearted but clear thinking people, they know what's good for them I suppose. Israel will still be around and a first world nation in 2100. Some EU members, Australia, Canada, USA ... not so much.
Is a meteoroid going to hit the US or something?
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Old 07-03-2011, 09:41 PM   #2
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Is a meteoroid going to hit the US or something?
I think the implication is that a country with a large number of certain sorts of people is not going to be able to be successful.

It's quite offensive.
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Old 07-04-2011, 12:40 AM   #3
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In what? Dipshittery?
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Old 07-04-2011, 12:59 AM   #4
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The US seems to be really good at using that power and wealth... or not.
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Old 07-04-2011, 01:03 AM   #5
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Exactly: "Good for them". They're not very accomplished in the good-will department.
To repeat:
Israel does have a refugee program, and it doesn't discriminate by reference to ethnicity or faith.
They also allow the children of illegal residents rights in certain circumstances.
They're not bound to do either of these things, but they do them.
Israeli NGOs and community organisations regularly provide assistance to illegal migrants along with legal refugees, for example.
That's not an exhaustive list, by the way.
I think they're more than well accomplished in the good-will department. I don't think they're hard-hearted at all. If they were, they wouldn't be accepting any refugees at all.
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Old 07-04-2011, 04:41 AM   #6
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zoewehfuisdg has said some pretty wacky stuff in the past so I wouldn't make any generalizations about Europeans based on his remarks.
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Old 07-04-2011, 04:50 AM   #7
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I'm not saying anything about Israel. I'm just saying something about considering zoehieohg representative of Europeans in general.
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Old 07-04-2011, 05:53 AM   #8
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I think the implication is that a country with a large number of certain sorts of people is not going to be able to be successful.

It's quite offensive.
Offensive? Yes.

True? Yes as well I think.

Seems reasonable to me to reason a third world population makes a third world nation. To not make a third world nation you'd have to be able to assimilate them properly and turn them into first world peopled. Israel can't assimilate Arab palestinians who don't look any different and don't have different norms than Middle Eastern Jews did when they first arrived in Israel. How are they supposed to assimilate African Muslims who are much farther culturally and also just plain look different?

No country in Europe actually has managed to have a immigration and integration policy where nonWestern immigrants and their descendants aren't a net tax drain. Canada, to give credit where credit is due, has managed to do this, but only because its very picky about who it lets in, which brings us back to needing first world people (proper work ethic, education, norms, ability, ect.) to start with.
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Old 07-04-2011, 10:20 AM   #9
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Euros seem to have a tendency to believe that Israel's existence at all is just a mistake, and therefore everything they do is hard-hearted.
" 'Muricans seem to have a tendency to think that the only good arab is a dead arab, and therfore they have lost the ability to be critical of any of Israels actions."
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Old 07-04-2011, 11:50 AM   #10
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which brings us back to needing first world people (proper work ethic, education, norms, ability, ect.) to start with.
if i remember correctly from my undergrad years - the hardware differences across people are small (even though they do exist). main differences are in work ethic, and apparently the PWE (protestant work ethic) cultures are most effective in getting things done.
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Old 07-04-2011, 02:44 PM   #11
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Offensive? Yes.

True? Yes as well I think.

Seems reasonable to me to reason a third world population makes a third world nation. To not make a third world nation you'd have to be able to assimilate them properly and turn them into first world peopled. Israel can't assimilate Arab palestinians who don't look any different and don't have different norms than Middle Eastern Jews did when they first arrived in Israel. How are they supposed to assimilate African Muslims who are much farther culturally and also just plain look different?

No country in Europe actually has managed to have a immigration and integration policy where nonWestern immigrants and their descendants aren't a net tax drain. Canada, to give credit where credit is due, has managed to do this, but only because its very picky about who it lets in, which brings us back to needing first world people (proper work ethic, education, norms, ability, ect.) to start with.
What a ridiculous post. You act as if poverty is nothing more than a product of poor upbringing and/or genetics and that children of immigrants will not be successful because their parents were so lazy they traveled thousands of miles. And why did you claim the US and Canada would not be first world nations? Now you're saying Canada is very picky. Oh, and I guess you think the US will stop being a developed country because some hispanics and Asians came in
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Old 07-04-2011, 05:50 PM   #12
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oh, so you're jewish, and you feel the need to protect 'your own'.

i'm not going back to israel. the country gives me the creeps. there's people with guns everywhere, the continuous negotiation for everything is tiresome, and everybody's so bloody paranoid.
The people with guns are policemen and soldiers. The soldiers have to carry their weapons when off duty in case they need to be quickly mobilized. (At least that's what a local told me when I was there.) It's basically reverse gun control. Didn't creep me out at all.
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Old 07-04-2011, 08:19 PM   #13
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It must be awesome to be able to predict the future as precisely and confidently as you do...
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Old 07-04-2011, 08:42 PM   #14
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" 'Muricans seem to have a tendency to think that the only good arab is a dead arab, and therfore they have lost the ability to be critical of any of Israels actions."
As if. Don't go pretending that America's islamophobic at least compared to the rather hypocritical European bigotry.
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Old 07-05-2011, 07:36 AM   #15
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Well, there's a shock I'll still be reeling from several days from now.
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Old 07-05-2011, 10:11 AM   #16
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As if. Don't go pretending that America's islamophobic at least compared to the rather hypocritical European bigotry.
Perception is king.
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Old 07-05-2011, 06:49 PM   #17
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Oh, so you think a substantial portion of immigrants are smarter than the average American, and another substantial portion are "not a problem", and you still think the US will stop being a developed country. It looks like you think hispanics are retarded and drag everyone else down with them. Even though states that already have large hispanic populations (Texas, California) haven't turned into third world shitholes. But I guess I should take the remarks about America of a Slovenian who reads racist blogs seriously
Mexico isn't really a third world **** hole.

Third world country, but its actually pretty well off as far as the global average goes.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:20...Quartiles_.png

Africa and places like Bangladesh are Third world **** holes.


Where will the US find the funds to expand and update its infrastructure for its rapidly expanding population? The great financial strain of supporting both identity politics goodies and elderly entitlement? Its large expenses abroad?

The US will not be a superpower because it simply won't be able to afford it. Standards of life as I say may still rise but the gains will be much smaller than the gains made by Japan, China and Korea or a hypothetical USA that deported all illegals and didn't have birthright citizenship.
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Old 07-05-2011, 07:20 PM   #18
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i'm not going back to israel. the country gives me the creeps. there's people with guns everywhere, the continuous negotiation for everything is tiresome, and everybody's so bloody paranoid.
No different then other places in that part of the world. Our company had a conference in Cairo a few years back. One of the events was eating dinner on the Nile on small boats. The buses we road to the staging area all had armed security people on them. When we arrived the shore was lined with soldiers all armed with automatic weapons. Once on the boats, military boats were posted at the perimeter of where our boats were. And gunships were flying overhead. There had been recent incidents and the Government couldn't afford to another embarrassment. It was probably all overdone a bit but it made you feel more secure and I would go back again. Another event was riding camels out to the pyramids and eating nearby. Sometimes it's good to work for an international company.
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