[ligaliaCods]

nice country, on the whole a very polite (but overly patriotic) bunch of people, the food was good.

sadly I never got to see much of anything here or really get to experience much of America, went to San Diego nice place, would like to have explored a bit more but the company I went with, all that they wanted to do was get smashed in the bars all day.

thanks for being a great host

[priceyicey]

on the whole a very polite (but overly patriotic) bunch of people

LIEZ!

The food is awesome though. It's why we're all fat.

I honestly don't think there's really much to do in America. We have Vegas, the Grand Canyon, but we don't have anything totally awesome. I've lived here my entire life and when I think of going to see something cool it's never anything in America. We do have some beautiful countryside, but it's not like other countries where they have things with ancient historical significance or exotic scenery. All we have are small groups of Native Americans whose lives we've completely destroyed, that's about it as far as our history goes.

[denyffishh]

LIEZ!

The food is awesome though. It's why we're all fat.

I honestly don't think there's really much to do in America. We have Vegas, the Grand Canyon, but we don't have anything totally awesome. I've lived here my entire life and when I think of going to see something cool it's never anything in America. We do have some beautiful countryside, but it's not like other countries where they have things with ancient historical significance or exotic scenery. All we have are small groups of Native Americans whose lives we've completely destroyed, that's about it as far as our history goes.

It's so vast and varied, there's got to be at last something for everyone there. I'd love to spend a few weeks touring the place, just need some £££.

[opdirorg]

LIEZ!

The food is awesome though. It's why we're all fat.

I honestly don't think there's really much to do in America. We have Vegas, the Grand Canyon, but we don't have anything totally awesome. I've lived here my entire life and when I think of going to see something cool it's never anything in America. We do have some beautiful countryside, but it's not like other countries where they have things with ancient historical significance or exotic scenery. All we have are small groups of Native Americans whose lives we've completely destroyed, that's about it as far as our history goes.

Thank you for that wonderfully uplifting speech.

[gniewkoit]

Thank you for that wonderfully uplifting speech.

Don't thank me, thank America! We don't really have anything that's culturally awesome. I blame that on being a melting pot. Sure there are cool things, but nothing that's truly amazing. You can't compare anything we have to Chichen Itza, the pyramids, or the Coliseum. We don't have really old historical architecture. You can find some 1900's stuff, but very few centuries old places that are noteworthy save for maybe some southeastern native american stuff. Our best monuments would be colonial.

It's not that there's anything wrong with America as a tourist destination, it's just that we haven't been around long for there to be anything truly amazing other than our few interesting natural artifacts (grand canyon). And culturally we can be an interesting place, but I wouldn't say of too much interest to most Europeans because most of what we have is all stolen from other countries and modified for America. Our country was founded entirely on immigrants and we've pretty much wiped out the native population.

America is awesome (except our government) but not in the sight seeing way. At least not in my opinion. Maybe if someone is into pop culture and what not Hollywood would be awesome, but as for me I want historical significance.

Every time I try to think of something to do for a vacation that doesn't involve leaving the country I come up blank. There are fun things to do like go to Chicago and visit Chinatown, go to Las Vegas, or any of the other interesting spots. But nothing I would say is worth flying across the sea.

I'm biased in the culture department because I'm an American so it all seems normal to me and of no interest. I just assume Europeans would feel similarly because we came from there. I also probably look for different things when I'm considering a trip, and because of America's youth it doesn't interest me that much.

[avaincmolla]

Don't thank me, thank America! We don't really have anything that's culturally awesome. I blame that on being a melting pot. Sure there are cool things, but nothing that's truly amazing. You can't compare anything we have to Chichen Itza, the pyramids, or the Coliseum. We don't have really old historical architecture. You can find some 1900's stuff, but very few centuries old places that are noteworthy save for maybe some southeastern native american stuff. Our best monuments would be colonial.

It's not that there's anything wrong with America as a tourist destination, it's just that we haven't been around long for there to be anything truly amazing other than our few interesting natural artifacts (grand canyon). And culturally we can be an interesting place, but I wouldn't say of too much interest to most Europeans because most of what we have is all stolen from other countries and modified for America. Our country was founded entirely on immigrants and we've pretty much wiped out the native population.

America is awesome (except our government) but not in the sight seeing way. At least not in my opinion. Maybe if someone is into pop culture and what not Hollywood would be awesome, but as for me I want historical significance.

Every time I try to think of something to do for a vacation that doesn't involve leaving the country I come up blank. There are fun things to do like go to Chicago and visit Chinatown, go to Las Vegas, or any of the other interesting spots. But nothing I would say is worth flying across the sea.

I'm biased in the culture department because I'm an American so it all seems normal to me and of no interest. I just assume Europeans would feel similarly because we came from there. I also probably look for different things when I'm considering a trip, and because of America's youth it doesn't interest me that much.

You must not get out much. There is all kinds of cool stuff around. Lots of historic native american sites for example are really cool to see in person.

[Loovikeillilen]

Don't thank me, thank America! We don't really have anything that's culturally awesome. I blame that on being a melting pot. Sure there are cool things, but nothing that's truly amazing. You can't compare anything we have to Chichen Itza, the pyramids, or the Coliseum. We don't have really old historical architecture. You can find some 1900's stuff, but very few centuries old places that are noteworthy save for maybe some southeastern native american stuff. Our best monuments would be colonial.

It's not that there's anything wrong with America as a tourist destination, it's just that we haven't been around long for there to be anything truly amazing other than our few interesting natural artifacts (grand canyon). And culturally we can be an interesting place, but I wouldn't say of too much interest to most Europeans because most of what we have is all stolen from other countries and modified for America. Our country was founded entirely on immigrants and we've pretty much wiped out the native population.

America is awesome (except our government) but not in the sight seeing way. At least not in my opinion. Maybe if someone is into pop culture and what not Hollywood would be awesome, but as for me I want historical significance.

Every time I try to think of something to do for a vacation that doesn't involve leaving the country I come up blank. There are fun things to do like go to Chicago and visit Chinatown, go to Las Vegas, or any of the other interesting spots. But nothing I would say is worth flying across the sea.

I'm biased in the culture department because I'm an American so it all seems normal to me and of no interest. I just assume Europeans would feel similarly because we came from there. I also probably look for different things when I'm considering a trip, and because of America's youth it doesn't interest me that much.

Christ man you have got to be kidding me. Just because there aren't any ruins or anything like that there isn't anything interesting? I find it kind of neat that human history here is relatively recent. And you talk like the grand canyon is the only interesting geological feature here. Have you ever seen the North Cascades (and the cascade volcanoes), Grand Tetons, Badlands, Rocky Mountains, redwoods, Oregon coast, Denali National Park, Yosemite, Yellowstone etc etc? We live in one of the most geographically varied countries in the world and you act like it's boring. Hell I could spend a lifetime exploring the mountains I live in and never get bored. Of course if you're looking for well defined historical culture you're not likely to find anything that goes back too far but mother nature has more than done her part to make up for that.

[XiWm9O9S]

Don't thank me, thank America! We don't really have anything that's culturally awesome. I blame that on being a melting pot. Sure there are cool things, but nothing that's truly amazing. You can't compare anything we have to Chichen Itza, the pyramids, or the Coliseum. We don't have really old historical architecture. You can find some 1900's stuff, but very few centuries old places that are noteworthy save for maybe some southeastern native american stuff. Our best monuments would be colonial.

America has the best modernist architecture, bar none. That's nothing to sneeze at.

[bahrains27]

America has the best modernist architecture, bar none. That's nothing to sneeze at.

In your opinion.

[Britiobby]

Did you get to see any cool **** that flies that our government hasn't let us in on yet, OHP?

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In your opinion.

Dude, there is really is no 'opinion' about it. America rose to prominence during the modern era, most countries have 1 city that is modern... the US has 50. That is the advantage of having no past. No hand wringing about tearing stuff down to build new stuff.

[wonceinee]

Did you get to see any cool **** that flies that our government hasn't let us in on yet, OHP?

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Dude, there is really is no 'opinion' about it. America rose to prominence during the modern era, most countries have 1 city that is modern... the US has 50. That is the advantage of having no past. No hand wringing about tearing stuff down to build new stuff.

It's still an opinion because it's all down to taste, although I agree with everythign else you said. Some people may think their taste is superior to others though. Other's may think the Bilbao Museum in Spain is more their thing. (which may actually have been designed by a Canadian)

[29clepayJainync]

America has the best modernist architecture, bar none. That's nothing to sneeze at.

Here we go again...

[treawittelf]

Here we go again...

You're an authority on architecture now, huh?

[asSexate]

You're an authority on architecture now, huh?

Nope, but I'm also sure that you're not. If you were you wouldn't be saying that America has the best, bar non, when it's such a subjective subject.

[tevyrefficy]

Each state in the USA is like its own little country. I'm still astonished by the diversity and cultural differences to this day.

[scoundtrack]

Nope, but I'm also sure that you're not. If you were you wouldn't be saying that America has the best, bar none, when it's such a subjective subject.

Apparently, if you can't be an authority on something, no one can.

America invented the skyscraper and adapted steel-and-glass architecture to just about every typological building imaginable. After WW2 America's economy enabled massive building projects, and European architects emigrated to the US en masse: Mies Van Der Rohe, Gropius, and Breuer worked along side Frank Lloyd Wright, Saarinen, SOM and Louis Kahn to define modern post-war architecture. Even architects who didn't emigrate had difficulty realizing their projects in Europe for the very reasons zeddoo stated, and their ideas were fully absorbed by architects in the US. There are more first-rate modernist buildings in the US alone than all of Europe combined.

[mylittlejewelaa]

Apparently, if you can't be an authority on something, no one can.

America invented the skyscraper and adapted steel-and-glass architecture to just about every typological building imaginable. After WW2 America's economy enabled massive building projects, and European architects emigrated to the US en masse: Mies Van Der Rohe, Gropius, and Breuer worked along side Frank Lloyd Wright, Saarinen, SOM and Louis Kahn to define modern post-war architecture. Even architects who didn't emigrate had difficulty realizing their projects in Europe for the very reasons zeddoo stated, and their ideas were fully absorbed by architects in the US. There are more first-rate modernist buildings in the US alone than all of Europe combined.

No, I think there can be authorities on architecture and anything else. The thing is, it requires someone more intelligent than me and certainly more intelligent than you to define "the best modernist architecture".

What you have just described is the invention of the best construction methods, just one part of great architecture. Personally, I consider aesthetics to be a far more important part in deciding what makes great architecture, but that's just my opinion (and no, I'm not really interested in yours).

Mods - can someone check out whether or not Spara and Bungle are the same person? There are too many similarities, are they both the same troll?

[seicslybearee]

There are more first-rate modernist buildings in the US alone than all of Europe combined.

This may be because the US is about the size of Europe. Like Acupuncture said, it's almost like a group of countries. And also because almost all American architecture is modern. It was imagined within the lifetime of people still alive today. Still, I suppose the architecture over the last 80 years is generally a lot better than most of the shite over here.

[trubreTab]

The thing is, it requires someone more intelligent than me

Speaking of trolling, dm, it's basically all you ever do, jump in, derail a thread then bicker with everyone.

[ElegeExcest]

No, I think there can be authorities on architecture and anything else. The thing is, it requires someone more intelligent than me and certainly more intelligent than you to define "the best modernist architecture".

What you have just described is the invention of the best construction methods, just one part of great architecture. Personally, I consider aesthetics to be a far more important part in deciding what makes great architecture, but that's just my opinion (and no, I'm not really interested in yours).

Mods - can someone check out whether or not Spara and Bungle are the same person? There are too many similarities, are they both the same troll?

I'm going to end this here because you clearly have no familiarity on the topic and are just looking to argue for argument's sake, as usual.

You are right.