[TudareWQT]

We actually have morons here that are FOR this new healthcare? Must be some goody goody two shoes city dwelling young folks on here that does not mind letting the government have a finger on every aspect of your life because that is exactly what they are attempting to do. We are letting government have way too much control. I do NOT need or want somebody telling me what is good for ME. I can feel my blood boiling already so I am going to step out of this thread.

Can you tell me your understanding of what Obamacare is? What does it change?

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Gnius,

You did not touch the fact that, somehow, this plan attempts to make health care more affordable. Nor did you consider the fact that a non-trivial portion of the population gets -at least- partially subsidized health care through their employer. Not as many working-classers are paying 8k/year out of pocket as you imply.

Also, please expand on what you consider a "fiasco" in Massachussettes. I work with many middle-classers from Massachusetts that actually approve of the system. Please tie in an explanation for this comment "reward sitting at home and collecting welfare, and punish the working class" in context of the Massachusetts system.